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2014 Preseason and Regular Season Polls

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woofermazing said:
If Auburn beats a one loss Alabama at the end of the year, do they get moved back in the top 4?
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Yes. If Bama goes into the Iron Bowl with one loss, that means they will have beaten Miss St, who is currently undefeated and ranked #1. That would push Bama back into the top 4; probably to #2. If Auburn were to knock Bama off, it could conceivably push Auburn back into the discussion. Of course, if Ole Miss wins the Egg Bowl, having lost to Auburn (who, even with 2 losses is still AWESOME!), it brings them back into the discussion (a least ESPiN's discussion).
 
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AJHawkfan said:
Yes. If Bama goes into the Iron Bowl with one loss, that means they will have beaten Miss St, who is currently undefeated and ranked #1. That would push Bama back into the top 4; probably to #2. If Auburn were to knock Bama off, it could conceivably push Auburn back into the discussion. Of course, if Ole Miss wins the Egg Bowl, having lost to Auburn (who, even with 2 losses is still AWESOME!), it brings them back into the discussion.
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All SEC playoff. Because their top 4 deserve it more than anyone else.
 
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In evaluating the new selection system keep one thing in mind. It is designed to fail.

The end goal is a 16 game playoff. That can't be achieved until teams with a solid argument for the NC are left out of the playoffs. The design of the current committee is incredibly open to politics and politics always prevail.

Only when we have a NC game between the equivalent of the Florida Marlins and Villanova will we be able to say that we are crowning a true national champion, because once we can say that teams who clearly don't deserve a chance are included can we say all teams who do deserve a chance were also included.
 
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In all seriousness, I look for 2 SEC teams, Oregon & Florida St.

Our best bet is for Miss St to win out, giving Bama a 2nd loss and Ole Miss a 3rd loss along the way. Iron Bowl needs to be ugly enough to not make a case for either team to move up with multiple losses. Oregon needs to win out, including beating Arizona St in the PAC12 title game. Florida St and/or TCU getting knocked of would help immensely.

Funny how Urban is now fighting against a stereotype that he helped create in the '06 title game.......
 
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Oh8ch said:
In evaluating the new selection system keep one thing in mind. It is designed to fail.
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That may be the case, but at the very least a committee selecting four teams is better than writers and coaches selecting only one or two, and it affords a team a chance on the merits of late season improvement (Exhibit A: Ohio State). Eight is the end-game. Sixteen would be too diluted.

Under the system of the last 16-20 years, the title game would be Florida St vs Mississippi St unless and until one of them loses. Under the system before that FSU would still have wound up in the Sugar or Orange to play either an undefeated or one-loss SEC team, or maybe TCU or Baylor, while Ohio State would be off to Pasadena praying for the opportunity to dismantle Oregon, which would be much sexier than dismantling Arizona St or UCLA, and probably still wind up with only a handful of first place votes.

Under all previous selection models, Ohio St would need about ten different teams to lose at least once, some even twice. Under this, Ohio St is really just one or two positions out of controlling their own destiny.
 
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AJHawkfan said:
Yes. If Bama goes into the Iron Bowl with one loss, that means they will have beaten Miss St, who is currently undefeated and ranked #1. That would push Bama back into the top 4; probably to #2. If Auburn were to knock Bama off, it could conceivably push Auburn back into the discussion. Of course, if Ole Miss wins the Egg Bowl, having lost to Auburn (who, even with 2 losses is still AWESOME!), it brings them back into the discussion (a least ESPiN's discussion).
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Yea, that's exactly what I'm afraid of though not as much as last week.

I originally thought Alabama would win out going into LSU, but I'm not so sure they get by Miss St. now. They will be beaten up and hungover from the LSU game. I also think that Georgia will get Auburn in Athens and be catapulted into playoff discussion. Auburn plummets to 10. Everyone plays a junior high school the week after (except ole miss who plays a fat camp), so they have opportunities there to move up based on impressive wins.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
That stereotype really didn't exist until after the 06 title game.
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http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/articleD6CCEB4F07C44C54A7B1ED1F2D13455F.asp
As Florida padded its resume, Meyer became a very vocal critic of the BCS, especially when it appeared the Gators wouldn't get a shot at Ohio State - and Michigan could get a mulligan.

Meyer suggested the BCS should be imploded if the SEC champ again was left out of the championship game - the way undefeated Auburn was in 2004.
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Right now what is really hurting Ohio State is the committee's opinion on what they value more: a mid season beat down, or a early season loss.

Arizona State got crushed by nearly 40 points at home, at a time (mid season) when teams should have found their stride and begin showing their true colors.

Ohio State losses early to a mediocre Va Tech team and then begins to hit their stride.

I dont buy into the 'Arizona State is as good as anyone in the country.' Their best win is over a suspect Notre Dame team, and furthermore they needed a hail mary to beat USC. I don't bring up the overtime game against Utah because its a wash with our OT game against Penn State. So again, what hurts the Buckeyes right now is how losses are being perceived.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
Right now what is really hurting Ohio State is the committee's opinion on what they value more: a mid season beat down, or a early season loss.
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I think it's more about the fact that the VA Tech loss at this point in the season really is a game that everyone, including Buckeye fans, know is anomalous to the rest of this year's performances.

Most of the other 1-loss teams are getting credit for losing to teams that most believe at this point in the season are relatively legitimate teams.

At least that's my understanding.
 
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SloopyHangOn said:
I think it's more about the fact that the VA Tech loss at this point in the season really is a game that everyone, including Buckeye fans, know is anomalous to the rest of this year's performances.

Most of the other 1-loss teams are getting credit for losing to teams that most believe at this point in the season are relatively legitimate teams.

At least that's my understanding.
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No matter how legit UCLA is, a 40 point loss at home is still a 40 point loss. Not a field goal, not a touchdown, were talking getting beat by 5 touchdowns! That in no way describes a #6 team in the nation. Especially when its in mid-season when the team is beginning to peak.
 
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SEREbuckeye said:
No matter how legit UCLA is, a 40 point loss at home is still a 40 point loss. Not a field goal, not a touchdown, were talking getting beat by 5 touchdowns! That in no way describes a #6 team in the nation. Especially when its in mid-season when the team is beginning to peak.
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When a team "peaks" is subjective and not really relevant in the L column. When it comes to close wins, maybe. I think looking at Ohio States win vs Penn St means a hell of a lot more than their loss to Va Tech. Same with ASU's win over ND. That win says a lot more about the team than their loss to UCLA.
 
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SloopyHangOn said:
When a team "peaks" is subjective and not really relevant in the L column. When it comes to close wins, maybe. I think looking at Ohio States win vs Penn St means a hell of a lot more than their loss to Va Tech. Same with ASU's win over ND. That win says a lot more about the team than their loss to UCLA.
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So lets say then Ohio State beats Va Tech and then loses to Michigan State by 40 points. Do you think the Buckeyes are deserving of a top ten ranking?
 
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