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2014 Preseason and Regular Season Polls

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SloopyHangOn said:
It wasn't really a close loss to VT either.
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as others have said, yes it was. Va Tech did basically nothing in the 2nd half until one late drive where they went up 7 followed by the pick-six. Granted Barrett was running for his life late in the 4th quarter, but for the vast majority of the game, while not perfect and with several drops by the WRs, he was adequate to the task. The defense wasn't nearly as good as it is now, the offensive line hadn't figured it out as a unit and Barrett was in game 2 of his career.

It was a bad loss, but let's not act like they were blown out by any stretch either.
 
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Mike80 said:
It was a bad loss, but let's not act like they were blown out by any stretch either.
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Is there no space between blowout and close loss?

My point was that neither Oregon/MSU or VT/Ohio State was any different in terms of HOW the losing team lost, imo.

Both teams were in the game until one team basically took momentum away early in the final quarter.

Close isn't defined by how close the score was late, it's defined by how long each team legitimately had a shot at winning. I'd say it was about even in both games.

Taking both offenses and defenses into account, both losing teams were struggling to keep up late in the 3rd and had all but lost control in the first half of the 4th.
 
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SloopyHangOn said:
Close isn't defined by how close the score was late, it's defined by how long each team legitimately had a shot at winning. I'd say it was about even in both games.
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We had a shot a tying the game (and thus, legitimately winning in OT) until the last minute of the game. You can't even come close to saying the same for MSU at Oregon...
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
We had a shot a tying the game (and thus, legitimately winning in OT) until the last minute of the game. You can't even come close to saying the same for MSU at Oregon...
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Total offense was virtually identical (324 yds vs. 327 yds), as were first downs (21 vs. 19), and both teams had 3 turnovers. VT ramped up the defensive pressure in the fourth quarter which made it seem worse.
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Total Offense: 466 yds vs. 491 yds
First Downs: 25 vs. 19
Turnovers: 2 vs. 0

Not HUGE discrepancies there either, and the final score was more lopsided.

My version of "close" must be different, but my point is that neither loss is any better or worse on paper... other than the quality of opponent.
 
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SloopyHangOn said:
Total Offense: 466 yds vs. 491 yds
First Downs: 25 vs. 19
Turnovers: 2 vs. 0

Not HUGE discrepancies there either, and the final score was more lopsided.

My version of "close" must be different, but my point is that neither loss is any better or worse on paper... other than the quality of opponent.
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MSU controlled the first half and then got blown out in the second, whereas we got clocked in the first half only to rally and tie the game and keep it close to the end. Granted, VaTech has turned out to be garbage, but we still went into the game with a QB having a grand total of one start in the two years since his senior year in high school and an OL with the second fewest combined career starts in the country.

Oregon has a habit of starting slow against solid defenses until they figure out how to adjust, which tells me that MSU can be scored upon by an athletic offense, like Oregon did in the second half. I'm not expecting us to put up 28 points in one half on Sparty like Oregon did, but I think we can hang 30+ on them, and that should be good enough to win.
 
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SloopyHangOn said:
Is there no space between blowout and close loss?

My point was that neither Oregon/MSU or VT/Ohio State was any different in terms of HOW the losing team lost, imo.

Both teams were in the game until one team basically took momentum away early in the final quarter.

Close isn't defined by how close the score was late, it's defined by how long each team legitimately had a shot at winning. I'd say it was about even in both games.

Taking both offenses and defenses into account, both losing teams were struggling to keep up late in the 3rd and had all but lost control in the first half of the 4th.
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I'm starting to wonder if you watched either game.
 
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SloopyHangOn said:
Is there no space between blowout and close loss?

My point was that neither Oregon/MSU or VT/Ohio State was any different in terms of HOW the losing team lost, imo.

Both teams were in the game until one team basically took momentum away early in the final quarter.

Close isn't defined by how close the score was late, it's defined by how long each team legitimately had a shot at winning. I'd say it was about even in both games.

Taking both offenses and defenses into account, both losing teams were struggling to keep up late in the 3rd and had all but lost control in the first half of the 4th.
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MSU was done less than a minute into the 4th quarter.
Ohio State and VTech were tied late in the 4th quarter.

Is there some ground between blowout and close loss? Probably, but one of these was clearly a blowout (19pt loss, 28 unanswered points). And another was clearly a close game (chance to tie less than 1min left in the game)
 
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Mike80 said:
I'm starting to wonder if you watched either game.
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MililaniBuckeye said:
MSU controlled the first half and then got blown out in the second, whereas we got clocked in the first half only to rally and tie the game and keep it close to the end.
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Michigan State didn't even lead that game until the last play of the first half and Ohio State was within a touchdown until the final minute of the first half.

...and I'm the one that didn't watch the games?

Like I said, "close" is apparently subjective and to me not entirely related to score.

I'm not sure why it's so important whether or not either game was or wasn't, though.

I didn't think the VT game was as close as most do, nor do I really think MSU got blown out. Both are somewhere in-between to me. Not worth arguing anymore, though.
 
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My guess: Buckeyes will be rated 10th in the next playoff poll:

1. Mississippi State
2. Florida State
3. Oregon
4. Alabama
5. TCU
6. Arizona State
7. Baylor
8. Ole Miss
9. Auburn
10. Ohio State
 
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