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2014 Preseason and Regular Season Polls

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kujirakira said:
Sure. So basically you just admitted you're arguing that ESPN isn't biased but have no idea what they're saying.

Regardless, insofar as winning big games... losing them results in pandemonium for other conferences... except the SEC. Where it's promptly swept under the carpet.
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I'm not even remotely talking about ESPN and their bias, because again, that's not part of the discussion. I didn't raise ESPN as part of the discussion, Josh did. My point was simply that as a viewer, I've watched a lot of games and I think that conference has had some quality wins in spite of discussion to the contrary.
 
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jwinslow said:
I avoid espn "talk" like the plague, but it's not possible to skip it entirely with the politicking and spin offered up in the middle of game broadcasts. All of which is discussing what I digest, not how America swallows their nonsense whole and rarely if ever recognizes them as a tmz network promoting their market interests.
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Ok, but what do YOU think? I consider you level headed and knowledgable. Can I assume that you feel that the SEC doesn't have any quality wins? If not, who does?
 
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matcar said:
They've won 7 games. They are undefeated. There aren't many of those left to choose from.
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Well we've won 6 and you'd think we lost 6. Apparently quality of wins matters selectively.

If you don't have a problem with the way the current circle jerk system helps the SEC and hurts everybody else, then you're either lying or don't care about competitive fairness. If a non-SEC team did what Miss St did (play nobody OOC, beat teams that were overrated, beat one legit team) they'd be ranked anywhere from 5-10. 1 through four would be SEC teams and FSU. There's something wrong with that. There was something wrong when aTm skyrocketed after beating USCe. There was something wrong when Miss St and Ole Miss used them to skyrocket. And now they're all up there, ready to beat each other and not get punished for it.
 
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There may be something wrong but I don't have a problem with the current rankings. I'm neither lying nor concerned about competitive fairness. I'm of the belief right now but if we take care of business for the remainder of the season we will likely be included in the playoffs. ...and I'm saying that while I'll concede that I still don't know what to expect from the Buckeyes.

I get it that you disagree, that's fine but I'm not the one bringing up ESPN, I'm asking folks what wins should be considered quality wins. because i think there have been quality wins and I don't give a crap whether ESPN says so or not.
 
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matcar said:
There may be something wrong but I don't have a problem with the current rankings. I'm neither lying nor concerned about competitive fairness. I'm of the belief right now but if we take care of business for the remainder of the season we will likely be included in the playoffs. ...and I'm saying that while I'll concede that I still don't know what to expect from the Buckeyes.

I get it that you disagree, that's fine but I'm not the one bringing up ESPN, I'm asking folks what wins should be considered quality wins. because i think there have been quality wins and I don't give a crap whether ESPN says so or not.
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You said this
From what I've watched, I'm not bothered or surprised by that conference being heavily represented at the top of the polls.
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If you're not bothered that SEC teams get preferential treatment (rise faster for wins, drop slower for losses), then I don't know what to tell you. Yes....I disagree with you if your stance really is that there's nothing wrong with the way both Mississippi schools flew up the polls as it compares to other conferences.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
If you're not bothered that SEC teams get preferential treatment (rise faster for wins, drop slower for losses), then I don't know what to tell you. Yes....I disagree with you if your stance really is that there's nothing wrong with the way both Mississippi schools flew up the polls as it compares to other conferences.
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It's fun trying to guess which person I have blocked you are arguing with.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
You said this
If you're not bothered that SEC teams get preferential treatment (rise faster for wins, drop slower for losses), then I don't know what to tell you. Yes....I disagree with you if your stance really is that there's nothing wrong with the way both Mississippi schools flew up the polls as it compares to other conferences.
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You have a problem with the current rankings? Because no, I dont. They may not be perfect, but I don't know how anyone could find a perfect ranking. And there's still so much to be played that I remain unconcerned. Again I ask, what are the quality wins out there in your opinion? You keep bringing up the ESPN strawman but I never cared about that.
 
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matcar said:
Ok, but what do YOU think? I consider you level headed and knowledgable. Can I assume that you feel that the SEC doesn't have any quality wins? If not, who does?
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I think they have quality wins. I think miss state, ole miss, atm all skyrocketed in the polls because of the hyperbole of the sec. I think miss state is probably the best around. I think the top teams are good to very good with no one close to being great.

I think the sec deserves their spot atop college football and plenty of highly ranked teams. I do not think they deserve the unchallenged assumptions that every team enjoys, nor do I think that any success or upset should trigger a big rise in the polls. I think atm and usce should be lambasted for awful play (and frankly atm was only fielding 1/3 of a top squad before the wheels came off)

And honestly I'm not that impressed with fsu or nd either and Oregon has avg average schedule. But I would like for all challengers to get a fair shake, the same level of scrutiny as the sec and to not require a perfect record or undeniable greatness to unseat the 4-6 sec teams at the top of their loss bracket.
 
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jwinslow said:
I think they have quality wins. I think miss state, ole miss, atm all skyrocketed in the polls because of the hyperbole of the sec. I think miss state is probably the best around. I think the top teams are good to very good with no one close to being great.

I think the sec deserves their spot atop college football and plenty of highly ranked teams. I do not think they deserve the unchallenged assumptions that every team enjoys, nor do I think that any success or upset should trigger a big rise in the polls. I think atm and usce should be lambasted for awful play (and frankly atm was only fielding 1/3 of a top squad before the wheels came off)

And honestly I'm not that impressed with fsu or nd either and Oregon has avg average schedule. But I would like for all challengers to get a fair shake, the same level of scrutiny as the sec and to not require a perfect record or undeniable greatness to unseat the 4-6 sec teams at the top of their loss bracket.
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I agree with almost all of that with the exception that I think ND deserves some respect (yech) for their performance at FSU and I actually think Oregon is coming on strong and I think they have a very high quality win against MSU and a loss against a respectable team. I'm not sure what to do with FSU, on one hand they haven't looked particularly sharp, but on the other hand they are the defending champ and they are still undefeated, I feel that ought to count for something.
 
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matcar said:
You have a problem with the current rankings? Because no, I dont. They may not be perfect, but I don't know how anyone could find a perfect ranking. And there's still so much to be played that I remain unconcerned. Again I ask, what are the quality wins out there in your opinion? You keep bringing up the ESPN strawman but I never cared about that.
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I actually don't keep bringing up ESPN. I'm talking about the polls and how the system unfairly rewards teams in the SEC. I don't know the best way to rank teams. I do know jumping somebody from 27 to 14 for beating an LSU team that was already known to be flawed before that game is not that way.

Yes...there is tons of football left. Fortunately for the SEC schools, they've been propped up to not have to worry about that. Auburn was #2 and lost to #3 Mississippi St. The next week they were #6. This is fine because they only lost to the #3 team.....right? NO! Why the fuck is Mississippi St 3rd at that point? Because they beat aTm and LSU. When you put all of the SEC teams in the top 10, none of them are going to go anywhere when they lose. They all just circle around. Usually it doesn't matter what the rankings are at this point....but now that the voters have all the SEC teams set up to stay at the top, it does matter. Non-SEC teams are already fucked and there's nothing they can do about it.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
I actually don't keep bringing up ESPN. I'm talking about the polls and how the system unfairly rewards teams in the SEC. I don't know the best way to rank teams. I do know jumping somebody from 27 to 14 for beating an LSU team that was already known to be flawed before that game is not that way.

Yes...there is tons of football left. Fortunately for the SEC schools, they've been propped up to not have to worry about that. Auburn was #2 and lost to #3 Mississippi St. The next week they were #6. This is fine because they only lost to the #3 team.....right? NO! Why the fuck is Mississippi St 3rd at that point? Because they beat aTm and LSU. When you put all of the SEC teams in the top 10, none of them are going to go anywhere when they lose. They all just circle around. Usually it doesn't matter what the rankings are at this point....but now that the voters have all the SEC teams set up to stay at the top, it does matter. Non-SEC teams are already fucked and there's nothing they can do about it.
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Again I will ask what are the quality wins? I think I see some within that conference. and if so, that helps clarify positioning.
 
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matcar said:
I'm not even remotely talking about ESPN and their bias, because again, that's not part of the discussion. I didn't raise ESPN as part of the discussion, Josh did. My point was simply that as a viewer, I've watched a lot of games and I think that conference has had some quality wins in spite of discussion to the contrary.
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Everybody else is talking about exactly that bias.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim ignorance about all the bs they're saying during games (esp ones not even including SEC teams) ... and then claim what they're saying isn't biased.
 
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kujirakira said:
Everybody else is talking about exactly that bias.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim ignorance about all the bs they're saying during games (esp ones not even including SEC teams) ... and then claim what they're saying isn't biased.
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I'm not having it both ways so you can stop putting words in my mouth. I can claim ignorance about it because I don't give a shit. It's not relevant to what I have seen when I've watch games. I have asked what victories have constituted quality wins and no one has responded except Josh. I have asked people to make their own judgments instead of simply falling back on the judgments of others. Josh has made some comments on the quality of victories and I have as well. If you are incapable of making those evaluations then we have nothing further to discuss.
 
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