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2014 Bowl Games Open Thread

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Gcashwell said:
I don't follow what you are saying... Sorry.
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He's referencing the most shameful and honor less facade in sports history, the penn state football program. They had self important catch phrases like success with honor and the grand experiment to strive to win the right way.

In the end, that way was to place winning above all else including the protection of children and the harsh justice (not protection and enabling) for a sexual predator. To this day they believe their program was the real victims in all of this and have gone to terrifying lengths to rationalize this. There is a thousand post thread on this topic but unfortunately most of the crazy is linked not quoted, and the links expire.
 
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BUCKYLE said:
:lol: So basically, it's like Bama has success, with honor.
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I didn't get the Penn State reference until someone explained it to me. We get zero coverage of them down here. They only come on TV once or twice a year, even cable.

Bama had a home and home with them a few years ago. Fans were honored by the opportunity to play them. Now nobody down here even mentions the penn state name. I literally haven't heard them in conversation since they stopped being front page news material. It's sickening.

Anyway, of course it's not that bad. Also, the school and even other boosters try to stop it. It just so happens we have some very unsavory fans. Everybody is terrified that bama (or any other school) will get caught and the program(s) will be destroyed. I would imagine the problem happens at many major universities. I have no idea how to stop it.

Look at Cam Newton. My understanding of what really happened is that Cam knew nothing of the money, and schools knew nothing of money, but boosters gave his dad cash just for the opportunity to talk to Cam. The money was not intended to guarantee Cam's enrollment.
 
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SloopyHangOn said:
Wow.
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Thanks for taking the time to explain. The thoughtfulness of your words, and level of detail made me gain a true understanding of the reference to a program that has been irrelevant for three years.

I guess I should have watched them that time they played on TV so i would have understood the reference to a school that school that nobody really talks about.

The only phrase people know that penn state uses down here is "We are", which is stupid.
 
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Gcashwell said:
At alabama, it's not," nothing to see here",it's "nothing to find."

No bills are being paid or anything that leaves a trail. I keep hearing of envelopes of cash under the counter at gas stations and other stores. Player goes up to counter and gets handed an envelope by the cashier. That's impossible to track.

Anything the coaches can control they do. I know the rules for all bars and clubs say all drinks are to be served I players in previously unopened/sealed bottles or players don't come back. Little crap like that all the time. But you can't follow your player in to every store.

You know drug people aren't going to leave a paper trail.

Same stuff happens with recruits. Saban doesn't have to offer money. The boosters are offering the kid money and the mom and dad an easy job they aren't qualified for. Of course the job isn't with a booster, it's with somebody the booster knows, but doesn't do regular business with. Maybe somebody he buys his cars from. "Hey, give Bill a 60k job and I will buy 10 trucks for my company from your dealership" type stuff.

Trading memorabilia and paying bills is easily traceable.
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I wasn't trying to ask what Bama has or hasn't done about it... thought we were talking about how ESPN changes their tune depending on their current favorites.
 
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Gcashwell said:
I didn't get the Penn State reference until someone explained it to me. We get zero coverage of them down here. They only come on TV once or twice a year, even cable.

Bama had a home and home with them a few years ago. Fans were honored by the opportunity to play them. Now nobody down here even mentions the penn state name. I literally haven't heard them in conversation since they stopped being front page news material. It's sickening.

Anyway, of course it's not that bad. Also, the school and even other boosters try to stop it. It just so happens we have some very unsavory fans. Everybody is terrified that bama (or any other school) will get caught and the program(s) will be destroyed. I would imagine the problem happens at many major universities. I have no idea how to stop it.

Look at Cam Newton. My understanding of what really happened is that Cam knew nothing of the money, and schools knew nothing of money, but boosters gave his dad cash just for the opportunity to talk to Cam. The money was not intended to guarantee Cam's enrollment.
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All teams have their share of lunatic fans, tOSU included.Penn State takes it to a new level. A vast majority of the fans and alums meet every definition of a cult.
They've even managed to get several of themselves elected to the school's Board of Trustees,not in order to improve educational issues or other things, but for one purpose........restore the name of Joe Paterno (Joesus) who in their minds was just a simple football coach who was unfairly persecuted. These people would gladly see Sandusky freed from prison (many claim he is innocent)and the school burned to the ground if it accomplished their goal and they got their precious wins back.
If you want some scary reading during the off-season, just visit the McAndrews board on BWI.....their Rivals forum.
 
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Guys, I think Gcashwell is a reasonable poster.

There are attempts at booster payments at Ohio State as well, but an important difference is that ESPiN isn't making FOIA requests from SEC teams to try to get leads to explore. Boosters get strictly worded messages that establish boundaries and set out penalties. Ohio State takes immediate steps to isolate and stop booster activity. Faculty members receive frequent reminders that student athletes may receive no benefits not available to everyone, even the use of a pencil in class. I know this, by the way, as a former professor.

The image on ESPiN is that Ohio State is a dirty place that plays slow, plodding football. Anyone who looks at objective facts or listens to Saban knows that isn't true.
 
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Gcashwell is a great poster. I hope he sticks around.

As for the cult in happy valley, their message boards are terrifying and spent a solid year trying to twist sandusky's acts into "horseplay" and trivializing the raped kids with air quotes around the word victim. It was not uncommon to see lines like: 'or the "victims" or whatever you want to call them'

As for cheating, it happens everywhere. Booster payments happen at plenty of small schools and booster handshakes happen at osu as well. The cheating is more systemic and much more effective down there. You certainly don't have head coaches talking about it on public email accounts.
 
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MaxBuck said:
Those complainers who say they don't watch ESPN ... watch ESPN. :lol:
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Tatgate sure made it easier to finally go from whiner to abstainer, most of the time (I break down every once in awhile, like last night, but largely stick to game broadcasts only)

I woke up at 4:30 last night and could not sleep so I tuned into ESPN to see what kind of crow they were willing to eat. The headline was ' dud day for sec'. Naturally they opened the segment with tcu's quotes about good football being played elsewhere (Paul Johnson's epic sec dig was 5 min earlier ).

They began the segment by laughing at all of the jealousy and hatred around college football and didn't address the media myth about the Mississippi's at all. Then when Joey Galloway made a surprisingly sharp point about them deserving every bit of praise for winning but having to,own the criticism for losing, Mark may dug into the "the sec wins when the chips are on the table" (ie NC). He ignored Joey's counter about that being the biggest stage ever for the ms teams, and in the end it boiled down to only mattering what flagbearer Bama does, which ironically is what Midwesterners have tried to argue for years.

Naturally I was an idiot for hoping to witness some crow eating. You just have to chuckle at the lengths of their Schtick and partnership.
 
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Gcashwell said:
They are raking it in too

Why in the hell did the B1G go with fox. I'm pretty stupid (from Alabama) but even I know that you partner with espn in that kind of deal.
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The SEC needs ESPN to boost the brand to Yankees. Most alums of SEC schools tend to remain in the SEC footprint, while B1G alums are in every footprint. So even if "the Big Ten is down" people still tune in to see their alma maters. If the SEC, for any extended period of time, was perceived as being "down," the casual yankee viewers would drop off, and ESPN/CBS would bear the loss in terms of ratings.
 
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Woody1968 said:
The SEC needs ESPN to boost the brand to Yankees. Most alums of SEC schools tend to remain in the SEC footprint, while B1G alums are in every footprint. So even if "the Big Ten is down" people still tune in to see their alma maters. If the SEC, for any extended period of time, was perceived as being "down," the casual yankee viewers would drop off, and ESPN/CBS would bear the loss in terms of ratings.
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This is correct.
 
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Sorry to continue on the train of off-topic-ness, but I recommend spending a little bit of time on BWI. That stands for "Blue & White Illustrated". Google "BWI McAndrew". (I guess that BWI is an airport code, so if you google "BWI", you get an airport.) (Tom McAndrew runs the free forum, and the topics are anything from football to womens volleyball to political elections to best ways to lose weight to "what kind of penguin is your favorite?" Go check out the thread on Penn State in our College Football forum.

That cult, I am convinced, would rather send all of their 10-year-old sons to live one night each with Jerry Sandusky, if it meant getting their 409 back. Joe Paterno is (not "was") the greatest gift to mankind. We (college football fans) ought to offer daily prayers to Joesus based on what he has done for us. Instant replay, traditional uniforms, an oblong ball, chocolate, and, of course, unruined weekends - we owe them all to Joesus.
 
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Zurp said:
Sorry to continue on the train of off-topic-ness, but I recommend spending a little bit of time on BWI. That stands for "Blue & White Illustrated". Google "BWI McAndrew". (I guess that BWI is an airport code, so if you google "BWI", you get an airport.) (Tom McAndrew runs the free forum, and the topics are anything from football to womens volleyball to political elections to best ways to lose weight to "what kind of penguin is your favorite?" Go check out the thread on Penn State in our College Football forum.

That cult, I am convinced, would rather send all of their 10-year-old sons to live one night each with Jerry Sandusky, if it meant getting their 409 back. Joe Paterno is (not "was") the greatest gift to mankind. We (college football fans) ought to offer daily prayers to Joesus based on what he has done for us. Instant replay, traditional uniforms, an oblong ball, chocolate, and, of course, unruined weekends - we owe them all to Joesus.
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You forgot that he cured cancer also.
 
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