2013 TSUN shenanigans and arguments

[MililaniBuckeye]

I coach highschool football and scoreboard is all that matters. I have had teams win, barely crossing over the 50. I get your point though. And I can not say what if this or what if that, because that is hypocritical. Osu beat Michigan and that is all that matters, your right.

 

[stowfan]

The AP voter from the Detroit Free Press, didn't even give UM a vote in the top25

http://www.pollspeak.com/component/...,3/lang,en/p,54/r,V/s,25/t1,55/t2,/v,788/w,1/

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

The AP voter from the Detroit Free Press, didn't even give UM a vote in the top25

http://www.pollspeak.com/component/...,3/lang,en/p,54/r,V/s,25/t1,55/t2,/v,788/w,1/

I see his being from Daytwat didn't bias his ranking of Ohio State...

 

[NFBuck]

I have never understood the thought process behind going on your rival's message board and trying to defend your team. Just seems...silly.

 

[LightningRod]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Michigan is getting elite skilled position players, and in 15' the number 1 running back and receiver. Michigan is going to start two tackles, one is a top5 pick other will go before third round in draft. The linebacker corp is becoming a strong point loaded with dept now for Michigan, especially when Jake Ryan gets back. I know your exagerating but Mattison and co. coach more than linemen during practice lol. Barely lost to Ohio st and should have beat the 6th rated South Carolina ( which Lewan did stuff Clowney all game). So Michigan is not too far off from the upper echelon teams at all. Once again I respect your opinion and this is mine. Michigan will lose 2 games this year.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVw50e_udg8"]Jadeveon Clowney blows up Michigan 2013 Outback Bowl - YouTube[/ame]

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

( which Lewan did stuff Clowney all game)

2 tackles for loss, a forced fumble and recovered fumble...yep, stuffed.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

2 tackles for loss, a forced fumble and recovered fumble...yep, stuffed.

Wasn't all of that in one play though?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Wasn't all of that in one play though?

Well, almost. He had four total tackles that game, which is as much as he had in 7 of the other 11 games in which he played (he didn't play against FCS Wofford). In other words, he had his "usual" game--the type of game which has him as the unquestioned best defensive player in the college game--against a guy who was out to prove himself right before the NFL draft.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

what is your point, shazier looks TINY compared to any linebacker at Michigan that has been there for more than a year. But we know he can ball, and he is a beast so who cares? All your pictures were of linemen, who Michigan wants to bring in huge and sculpt them, instead of small and add weight on them like richrod years, what is wrong with that? I think Michigan has recruited offensive linemen better than any college since coach Hoke has arrived.
Has Evan Lisle ever lifted a weight son? Different teams have different philosophy. Saban brings in linemen 320 plus and sclups them, he is a power team. Hoke is trying to instill that same thing. But if you have to make your self feel better by posting pictures of 17-18 year old kids as a reason to justify your superiority , than I feel very bad for you, something happened along your life to mess ya up son.

http://photo.the-ozone.net/details....12&ReturnPageNumber=1&RowCount=1&PageNumber=8

You bring up a picture of Mike Mccray who everyone said was a big fat guy, over and over when Michigan got his commitment. He is playing ahead of a higher rater guy who came in runnning a 4.5 and benching 225 - 26 times. This is not a body competition this is football.

This guy is a linebacker? ..... Really?
http://photo.the-ozone.net/details....2&ReturnPageNumber=1&RowCount=1&PageNumber=13

Isn't this the Buckeyes freshman, who has been tearing up? But looks to not have a ounce of muscle on him?
http://photo.the-ozone.net/details....2&ReturnPageNumber=2&RowCount=1&PageNumber=16

If you want to make fun of freshman linemen, lets do something that makes sense, compare seniors and junior linemen with each other. Marcus Hall and Taylor lewan or Micheal schofield, they both make Hall look like those freshman your making fun of. Football is not a muscle fest buddy.

You got yourself a nice little ruby collection there, Kyle.

 

[jwinslow]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Michigan is getting elite skilled position players

in Hoke's 4th and 5th class, yes. Before that, no. The wide receivers he brought in weren't even on par with RR receivers on recruiting paper. He has turned it around nicely though those players are still a year (or four) from being polished contributors.

Running back recruiting has been very good starting with the last class.

I need to see Shane Morris not be terrible with pads on before he gets any type of credit. His floor and ceiling are on both far ends of the spectrum. He has the potential but for now he has been lousy in pads, up and down in flag football and great at wearing wristbands and promoting effeminate hand signs.


Hoke has recruited well. He must produce this year especially in such a dreadful conference. He needs to prove that he is bound to win conference titles regularly, not just win in February. He also needs to show an offense that is consistent and less predictable. Mattison did a phenomenal job coaching up mediocre defenders and is starting to collect a more complete roster. He is a given (whether the annual result is solid, good or great remains to be seen but more is expected of him than borges). That said as good as he has been overall he has defended osu very poorly and those were two inconsistent units overall. Mattison will surely improve his arsenal of weapons but osu also has a lot of room to improve in personnel and execution. They had one reliable wide out last year and had to play him out of position at the H spot (slot back). Then there's the matter of Braxton being very inconsistent at running the option last year, though I imagine no tv commentator will ever pick up on that extremely basic observation given that no one ever figured out how terrible denard was at reading the option (to the point where he usually was told presnap what to do with the ball under RR and occasionally under hoke).

It will be a fun rivalry to watch. Hoke cannot lose this year at home or he will fall very far behind in perception.

 

[Muck]

Michigan is getting elite skilled position players,

No. They're not.

Drake Harris is the first elite playmaker they've brought in under Big Boy. Green & Smith should be good running backs, but they're not playmakers, they're grinders.

So far (2011, 2012 & 2013) among Hoke's classes that are on campus:
Five WR (1 ****)
Six TE (2 ****)

Those isn't the makings for an explosive offense.

 

[scarletngray]

I coach highschool football and scoreboard is all that matters. I have had teams win, barely crossing over the 50. I get your point though. And I can not say what if this or what if that, because that is hypocritical. Osu beat Michigan and that is all that matters, your right.

I think the word you are looking for is: Hypothetical

You may coach football at a High School but apparently you did not graduate from one. M*ch*g*n fan: Par for the course.

:osu:

 

[jwinslow]

what is your point

Apparently yours is to lose sight of what site you are on, vehemently oppose any rivals poking fun at rival players for being soft, and then return fire with ill advised potshots of your own.

shazier looks TINY compared to any linebacker at Michigan that has been there for more than a year.

Yeah, that 6'1 228 lb Desmond Morgan is just a monster There are also concerns about whether the talented Joe Bolden is a bit undersized as well.

But we know he can ball, and he is a beast so who cares?

Shazier played at 212 lbs as a true frosh and that absolutely hurt him, particularly when he had to play even further out of position at Mike, with a bum wheel no less.

All your pictures were of linemen, who Michigan wants to bring in huge and sculpt them, instead of small and add weight on them like richrod years, what is wrong with that? I think Michigan has recruited offensive linemen better than any college since coach Hoke has arrived.

which needs to pay off immediately or a divide will build between the two programs. There's also the matter of OL being far and away the hardest position to project (& rank) in HS.

You absolutely can take talented bigs, break them down and build them back up. In the meantime, buckeye fans should be allowed - on their own board - to poke fun at rival players for being portly without being reprimanded for it repeatedly by visitors.

Has Evan Lisle ever lifted a weight son? Different teams have different philosophy. Saban brings in linemen 320 plus and sclups them, he is a power team. Hoke is trying to instill that same thing. But if you have to make your self feel better by posting pictures of 17-18 year old kids as a reason to justify your superiority , than I feel very bad for you, something happened along your life to mess ya up son.

If you want to make fun of freshman linemen, lets do something that makes sense, compare seniors and junior linemen with each other. Marcus Hall and Taylor lewan or Micheal schofield, they both make Hall look like those freshman your making fun of. Football is not a muscle fest buddy.

Talk about wildly contradictory posts. Let's set aside the stupidity of comparing guards (Hall) with tackles (Lewan, Schofield)

Or the fact that I'm seeing a very similar body fat amount on these two

You tried to pretend like Lisle hasn't seen the weight room and then turned around and used Taylor Lewan to put down a Buckeye, as though Lewan weren't skinnier than Lisle coming out of HS. And yes, Lisle has seen the weight room:

You bring up a picture of Mike Mccray who everyone said was a big fat guy, over and over when Michigan got his commitment. He is playing ahead of a higher rater guy who came in runnning a 4.5 and benching 225 - 26 times. This is not a body competition this is football.

And Mike McCray will be better when he gets into better shape. Particularly I don't think he's fat but he could have arrived at a better starting point, especially since the coaches surely gave him a S&C regimen and expectation.

This guy is a linebacker? ..... Really?
http://photo.the-ozone.net/details....2&ReturnPageNumber=1&RowCount=1&PageNumber=13

Boy, you totally burned us. How could one walkon be so skinny?

Isn't this the Buckeyes freshman, who has been tearing up? But looks to not have a ounce of muscle on him?
http://photo.the-ozone.net/details....2&ReturnPageNumber=2&RowCount=1&PageNumber=16

A speed demon that lack size can contribute from day 1 on special teams and a percentage of snaps.
A player that is out of shape, particularly one that is going to be grinding inside the box, is probably headed for a redshirt.
A speedy midget on offense can contribute a lot sooner than a somewhat fast short dude on defense (Terry Richardson, 5'8 150ish upon arrival, still weights less than Dontre).

But again, you're missing the point of what this thread is and where you are. And yes, it should have been split awhile ago to the shenanigans but I've been too busy to do so.


OSU fans are excited because they had a bunch of true frosh begin fall camp in tremendous shape:

This is the closest thing OSU has to an out of shape frosh:

And probably their softest returning player returned for camp carrying all of his lost weight in his beard:

 

[ColumbusSublime]

Doubtful. Define 'coach'. Like you stand on the sleds as weight? Or are responsible for a position? A coordinator? You can barely structure sentences. Also, you have provided no insights into scheme or what you have seen out of players that support your opinions. My guess is your football knowledge is sourced via the Scout message boards.

running back coach. And Clowney did not "torch" Lewan. On that "hit of the year" Lewan was not responsible for Clowney what so ever . And out of all the "sweet" tackles in the sec Clowney faced, you know who he said was the hardest player he has ever gone up against? Lewan. And why do I need to structure my sentence to your liking, I am not trying to impress you and go out on a date with ya bud.

 

[ColumbusSublime]

Alright Supersteve, ya were not on goblue your right. Who said Morgan is a monster? He is not steve, Bolden is in his second year at 228 , he will be fine. Hall came in as a tackle correct? He could not cut it at tackle and moved inside because of better players correct steve? I do not on Michigan board see not one person poking fun at 17 year old kids, actually giving compliments to the running back from Oregon and such, but ok steve.

Apparently yours is to lose sight of what site you are on, vehemently oppose any rivals poking fun at rival players for being soft, and then return fire with ill advised potshots of your own.
Yeah, that 6'1 228 lb Desmond Morgan is just a monster There are also concerns about whether the talented Joe Bolden is a bit undersized as well.
Shazier played at 212 lbs as a true frosh and that absolutely hurt him, particularly when he had to play even further out of position at Mike, with a bum wheel no less.
which needs to pay off immediately or a divide will build between the two programs. There's also the matter of OL being far and away the hardest position to project (& rank) in HS.

You absolutely can take talented bigs, break them down and build them back up. In the meantime, buckeye fans should be allowed - on their own board - to poke fun at rival players for being portly without being reprimanded for it repeatedly by visitors.
Talk about wildly contradictory posts. Let's set aside the stupidity of comparing guards (Hall) with tackles (Lewan, Schofield)

Or the fact that I'm seeing a very similar body fat amount on these two

You tried to pretend like Lisle hasn't seen the weight room and then turned around and used Taylor Lewan to put down a Buckeye, as though Lewan weren't skinnier than Lisle coming out of HS. And yes, Lisle has seen the weight room:

And Mike McCray will be better when he gets into better shape. Particularly I don't think he's fat but he could have arrived at a better starting point, especially since the coaches surely gave him a S&C regimen and expectation.
Boy, you totally burned us. How could one walkon be so skinny?
A speed demon that lack size can contribute from day 1 on special teams and a percentage of snaps.
A player that is out of shape, particularly one that is going to be grinding inside the box, is probably headed for a redshirt.
A speedy midget on offense can contribute a lot sooner than a somewhat fast short dude on defense (Terry Richardson, 5'8 150ish upon arrival, still weights less than Dontre).

But again, you're missing the point of what this thread is and where you are. And yes, it should have been split awhile ago to the shenanigans but I've been too busy to do so.


OSU fans are excited because they had a bunch of true frosh begin fall camp in tremendous shape:

This is the closest thing OSU has to an out of shape frosh:

And probably their softest returning player returned for camp carrying all of his lost weight in his beard: