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2013 tOSU Defense Discussion

MililaniBuckeye;2361025; said:
Tackling and sporadic poor coverage.

And DBs may be more prone to getting hit with the "Targeting" rule by lousey BIG refs.
You know it's gonna happen.
You lose a key defensive back at the wrong time and you lose the game.
I think this will happen to somebody in the BIG. That's why depth in the secondary could become an issue for some teams.
It's a bad rule and will be applied by bad refs in bad situations.
I worry about somebody like Shazier getting tossed and with little depth at LBer, that could cost us a game. Having watched so many games decided by poor BIG refs I have a bad feeling about the "Targeting" rule.
These are my biggest concerns for the season.
 
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With it just being released that Najee Murray has been let go for violation of team rules and Jamee Thompson is out for 3 months, we are looking more and more prone to the new head targeting rule in the defensive backfield. Not good news.
 
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Taosman;2361650; said:
And DBs may be more prone to getting hit with the "Targeting" rule by lousey BIG refs.
You know it's gonna happen.
You lose a key defensive back at the wrong time and you lose the game.
I think this will happen to somebody in the BIG. That's why depth in the secondary could become an issue for some teams.
It's a bad rule and will be applied by bad refs in bad situations.
I worry about somebody like Shazier getting tossed and with little depth at LBer, that could cost us a game. Having watched so many games decided by poor BIG refs I have a bad feeling about the "Targeting" rule.
These are my biggest concerns for the season.

Careful. you're starting to sound like a Miami fan circa 2003
 
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Buckeye86;2361638; said:
There's already an "official" thread to talk about the 2013 defense.

The 2013 Silver Bullets (Official 2013 Defense Thread)

Who started this new one without using the search function!? :pissed:

I did. I searched for "defense" and found all the previous ones (by BB73, all following the same "[year] tOSU Defense Discussion" convention. Since yours was named differently than all the previous ones, I overlooked it. I'll merge that thread into this one.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2361880; said:
I did. I searched for "defense" and found all the previous ones (by BB73, all following the same "[year] tOSU Defense Discussion" convention. Since yours was named differently than all the previous ones, I overlooked it. I'll merge that thread into this one.

That's crazy talk. It was named the Silver Bullets thread for a reason. This year we bring back what we know and love. I guarantee this defense will be one of the top ten defenses we've seen in the last decade.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2361881; said:
That's crazy talk. It was named the Silver Bullets thread for a reason. This year we bring back what we know and love. I guarantee this defense will be one of the top ten defenses we've seen in the last decade.

And we follow naming conventions for a reason. All of the other discussion threads for defense, offense, speciall teams, etc., were named in the same way for years. When people want to look for the thread on defense discussion, that's what they look for (as for offense discussion, etc.). Had I noticed your thread during the search, I simply would've renamed it. All the discussion in your thread is in this one, and folks can see you started the discussion.
 
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Just a quick comment: I've tried using the "search" engine several times, pretty much useless in my un-schooled opinion. And the defense still seems to me to be the biggest problem facing this team. The thin ranks at LB and DB are cause for serious concern.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;2361880; said:
Since yours was named differently than all the previous ones, I overlooked it. I'll merge that thread into this one.

It wasn't my thread, although you probably know that now based on who has chimed in. :lol:

Back on topic- I don't think the potential loss of Murray and injury to Thompson affects our secondary depth all that much with Apple, Conley, Bell and Burrows all coming on strong. Even with the targeting rules possible impact.
 
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ESPN: High hopes for DL Spence, Washington
http://espn.go.com/blog/colleges/osu/post?id=13299

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In their new reality as starters and potential pass-rushing pillars of a team expected to follow up an unbeaten season by contending for a national title, Washington and Spence have only become closer as time has passed and expectations have soared since their initial introduction.

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"Since Day One when we got here, we've been like best friends and everything like that," Spence said. "We compete with each other, we try to make each other better every day. Basically in practice, I'm not going to let him get a sack without me getting one. We just make it a competition every day and it makes us both better.

"It's always a grind, so we try to push each other -- 'I'm going to be better than you, I'm going to get more tackles than you this year, I'm going to get more sacks.'"
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When Urban Meyer was hired, I was as excited as anyone. As someone who had considered going to Cbus and assassinating Jim Bollman, I knew I would get to see dynamic offense. I had seen my fill of Dave, Dave, incomplete pass, and punt - as well as playing for FG's. The 2012 Buckeyes did not disappoint me.

However, when UFM was hired I told my buddies that we would have to win some games 40-31. I was labled a nut and clearly out of my mind. Then came Nebraska's 38 and Indiana's 49 - which admittedly made me want to crawl under a rock, but my sanity was vindicated.

The bottom line is that you generally cannot have an offense that averages 40 and a defense that averages giving up 10. If you do, they call you national champions.

The tempo of the Ohio State offense directly affects the ability of the defense. The quicker you play and the more dynamic you are, the quicker you are punting or scoring - either way you are putting your defense on the field much more than a team that does Dave, Dave, etc. A tired defense is a less effective defense. In addition, there is a psychological factor involved. When you know your offense can get a score back quickly and easily, the urgency of preventing a score is less.

As a general rule, we have to choose the dynamic, high-scoring offense or the stout defense. I'll take the former for now because I was physically sick of the latter which coupled the great defense with bland offense and an emphasis on punting.

The old way of evalutating defenses with things like scoring average, yards rushing, and yards passing allowed are out-dated. If you allow yards and points in Ohio State's present approach, but can be +1-2 per game on TO's, you will be defending good enough.

The only way you can get to that 40/10 level is if you have quality players, two deep at every defensive position. We aren't there yet, especially at LB.
 
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