2013 tOSU Defense Discussion

[maximumblitz]

11W discussion of 3-2-6:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/football/2013/03/3-2-6-defense

SI discussion of LSU using 3-2-6 to beat Bama:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1193993/3/index.htm

whose burly, mustachioed defensive coordinator, John Chavis, haunts the dreams of quarterbacks and offensive coordinators. Taking advantage of LSU's deep secondary, Chavis this season commonly went to a 3-2-6 defense called the Mustang, featuring three down linemen, two linebackers and six defensive backs. LSU blitzed 'Bama 13 times on Nov. 5; 10 of those blitzes came when Chavis had Mustang personnel on the field.

 

[Buckeye86]

To an extent I agree, but a 3-2 dime also gives you the option of sending so many exotic pressures from so many looks that its not even funny. The speed an athletic ability you can have on passing downs, even on the dline - will put added stress on any offensive line.

Given the natural growth of the players expanding on the "limited" scheme from mid-season on, perhaps this is just the next step in implementing a package that Withers and Fickel wanted to do, but couldn't.

I think the 3-2-6 is just another step in the evolution of Ohio State's defense. I wrote about it several years ago with the Viper, strong side DE and Star positions.

The Evolution of Ohio State's Defense

Now with guys like Darron Lee and Chris Worley in the fold (not to mention the recently offered Sam Hubbard who fits here perfectly as well) who seem equally comfortable as safeties or LBs, it makes sense to try out some formations to get guys like that on the field.

With the Viper/Leo and strong side DE you can go from a 4-3 look to a 3-4 look without changing personnel.

Now with the next step in the Star position you can go from the 3-2-6 look to a 3-4 look without changing personnel either.

The strong side linebacker (as mentioned in the linked article) seemed to be more a case of utilizing the talent we had with Austin Spitler and Etienne Sabino rather than a long term plan- but with guys like Jamal Marcus still on the roster we can definitely load up with a 5-2 or 4-4 look against the (former?) Wisconsins of the world if needed.

Long story short, Luke Fickell has been moving the defense in this direction for years (even before Withers was around) and it seems like he is finally starting to get all of the pieces in place to fully implement an incredibly versatile defensive scheme for the Buckeyes.

I am looking forward to seeing the results on the field (and continuing to load up with incredible talent to make the defense click on the recruiting trail).

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

I think the 3-2-6 is just another step in the evolution of Ohio State's defense. I wrote about it several years ago with the Viper, strong side DE and Star positions.

The Evolution of Ohio State's Defense

Wanted to bring the convo over here from the Washington thread. I didn't want to miss out on commenting what a good post 86 made first though. I also wanted to confirm something I believe you were talking about in your article in that 3-2-6 still equals 11, which at this point is probably putting the best 11 players on the field.

I wanted to add to what I posted in reply to OregonBuckeye's post. While I believe what I posted in the ADW thread I think it would be unfair to say that the line will be better this year just because of the players themselves.

Last year it seemed to take awhile for there to be any kind of rotation on the line. Unless there are injuries or some kind of dramatic drop-off in the 2 deep I'd imagine Noah and Adolphus will be a lot fresher towards the end of our games. If you believe like I do that our secondary will lock it down, and that our offense will increase it's PPG over last season, Noah and Alolphus become two very scary dudes in the fourth quarter.

 

[pnuts34]

Wanted to bring the convo over here from the Washington thread. I didn't want to miss out on commenting what a good post 86 made first though. I also wanted to confirm something I believe you were talking about in your article in that 3-2-6 still equals 11, which at this point is probably putting the best 11 players on the field.

I wanted to add to what I posted in reply to OregonBuckeye's post. While I believe what I posted in the ADW thread I think it would be unfair to say that the line will be better this year just because of the players themselves.

Last year it seemed to take awhile for there to be any kind of rotation on the line. Unless there are injuries or some kind of dramatic drop-off in the 2 deep I'd imagine Noah and Adolphus will be a lot fresher towards the end of our games. If you believe like I do that our secondary will lock it down, and that our offense will increase it's PPG over last season, Noah and Alolphus become two very scary dudes in the fourth quarter.

So in continuing the discussion on the 3-2-6, since imo that could possibly best defend a number of spread offense teams. My thought is, with a defense needing more dbs to be better in coverage, does that negate having to have a true shutdown cb like bradley roby? Roby in essence is supposed to lock down the opposing teams #1 outside wr. And with true pro style offenses, that usually shuts down around 50% of the field. But with using the spread, teams are now 4-5 wide at wr, and roby is now not nearly as important since usually the slot wrs get the most action in a spread because they cause mismatches with LBs and S. I wonder if guys that are more versatile and can play cb, s and star(like a cam burrows, tyvis powell or darron lee) become more coveted because they can do more than someone who is a pure wr. It seemed like our Safties got eaten up in coverage trying to stay with the quick slot guys, and bryant and barnett couldn't get a good hit on them.
Just an opinion and agreeing with the 3-2-6 scheme as it should put the best dbs on the field and not have to have 4cbs and 2S. I envison us in the near future using a 6db set with: doran grant, eli apple, armani reeves, cam burrows, devan bogard(insert also, darron lee, tyvis powell or jayme thompson) and vonn bell. Thats a lot of athleticism on one field

 

[IronBuckI]

Roby played the boundary most of the time last season, and Howard usually played the field. Having a guy like Roby (who is not just a high caliber cover guy, but can also be trusted as a tackler) is even more important, IMO, in a defense with so many DBs on the field.

 

[MD Buckeye]

From last year, but still bad ass.....

 

[maximumblitz]

Over in the Coach Combs thread, Combs is asked about the dime and he said roughly this, according to my rough transcription:

the benefit [of the dime] is that the more fast guys you have on the field against spread offensive teams, particularly in passing situations, the greater chance you have to play multiple coverages and you can play more man to man and you can rush the passer more effectively, and a, if it is third and 9 and you do not anticipate they are going to run 2 back run game against you get some fast guys out there who can cover. we didn't have enough guys last year to do that did not have enough in the spring game because of some of those guys not playing. that is another expectation of Najee and Dev coming back and the addition of freshman kids

Nothing BP has not said already.

 

[Dryden]

 

[Yertle]

Doing 1/11th and punishing our opponents.

 

[Yertle]

Over in the Coach Combs thread, Combs is asked about the dime and he said roughly this, according to my rough transcription:

Nothing BP has not said already.

Coombs. Sorry for being picky, but a coach that awesome deserves his name spelled right.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

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[HorseshoeFetish]

Is there a silver "bullet" lining to the sanctions we are currently under? I understand that recruiting is just paper until the kids actually get on the field and play. It just seems to me that Urban and staff have recruited as close to perfect as a staff can. Is it possible that UFM has stepped up his game when it come to recruiting? I can't think of a class at any school I'd be willing to trade ours for in the time UFM has been here. I was looking at the roster yesterday and it appears that for the second year in a row we will lose an entire starting unit to graduation or the NFL. Then I look at the D-lineman and D-backs this staff has brought to Columbus over the last two recruiting cycles, and I feel perfectly at ease with it. Am I the only one that feels this way?

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

Is there a silver "bullet" lining to the sanctions we are currently under? I understand that recruiting is just paper until the kids actually get on the field and play. It just seems to me that Urban and staff have recruited as close to perfect as a staff can. Is it possible that UFM has stepped up his game when it come to recruiting? I can't think of a class at any school I'd be willing to trade ours for in the time UFM has been here. I was looking at the roster yesterday and it appears that for the second year in a row we will lose an entire starting unit to graduation or the NFL. Then I look at the D-lineman and D-backs this staff has brought to Columbus over the last two recruiting cycles, and I feel perfectly at ease with it. Am I the only one that feels this way?

These first few recruiting cycles were/are to plug huge holes in our lineup. The first cycle was to get a couple big playmakers/recievers on offense, solidify the defensive depth, and get ready to replace the starting front 7. The second recruiting cycle was to fill the depth we would soon be missing in the secondary and LB, and another year of playmakers for the offense. The big miss was filling the future holes on the O-Line. Year 3 is all about depth at the O-Line (i'd like to see 5-6 top guys recruited) and depth at LB (check the second one off the list) then I think we'll be done filling the gaps. Years 4 and after the staff can revert to the more ideal balanced recruiting approach (recruit the 22 positions on the field, give or take a few spots depending on what's available/need). Then we should be able to avoid having to replace 'the entire starting offensive line' or 'the entire front 7'. Bottom line, the Silver Bullets will be fine this year, no worries. Washington/Spence were huge for the team to solidify the ends to lead the line, Sabino is our leader of the 'backers and Roby is proving to be an excellent leader for all of our young secondary talent, who may get huge playing time.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

These first few recruiting cycles were/are to plug huge holes in our lineup. The first cycle was to get a couple big playmakers/recievers on offense, solidify the defensive depth, and get ready to replace the starting front 7. The second recruiting cycle was to fill the depth we would soon be missing in the secondary and LB, and another year of playmakers for the offense. The big miss was filling the future holes on the O-Line. Year 3 is all about depth at the O-Line (i'd like to see 5-6 top guys recruited) and depth at LB (check the second one off the list) then I think we'll be done filling the gaps. Years 4 and after the staff can revert to the more ideal balanced recruiting approach (recruit the 22 positions on the field, give or take a few spots depending on what's available/need). Then we should be able to avoid having to replace 'the entire starting offensive line' or 'the entire front 7'. Bottom line, the Silver Bullets will be fine this year, no worries. Washington/Spence were huge for the team to solidify the ends to lead the line, SHAZIER is our leader of the 'backers and Roby is proving to be an excellent leader for all of our young secondary talent, who may get huge playing time.

FIFY

 

[Bucknut24]

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Eddie George works out with the players at the Woody and says he is impressed with the depth. OSU defense is athletic as he has ever seen.