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the only thing I've found is an ESPiN article speculating that Stoops would be a candidate. From what I remember, there was never anything to it.
And if you remember, at that point, Oklahoma was at the top of the world and Ohio State looked like a team in serious need of a rebuild.
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I seem to recall, and I have no empirical evidence, that Geiger asked the AD from Oklahoma if he could interview Stoops and was told that it wasn't going to happen. If I remember correctly the Oklahoma AD even made comments as to Geigers gall in thinking Stoops would leave OU for tOSU.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
Outside of Meyer to Ohio State, I really don't see any big name coaches coming to the Big Ten. Maybe these guys can become the big name coaches while coaching wthin the Big Ten, but I don't see many coming from outside to the Big Ten. Maybe the biggest was Ron Zook to Illinois, but that was after being fired at Florida - not being stolen from Florida. Michigan took Rich Rodriguez and later Brady Hoke. Rich Rod was maybe a big name coach. Wisconsin got whats-his-name from Utah State, or something. (See what a big name coach he is?) Am I missing someone?
Look at the results of the BCS bowl games (not to toot my own pants, but I started a thread on them), and you can see that the Big Ten is really the "Big One and Everyone Else".
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UpNorth_Buckeye
Assistant Coach
Michigan and maybe Penn State (and even if so it would be 3+ years from now) can attract big name coaches. But unless your timing is fortunate you're not going to get a big name coach. We were fortunate with Urban coming back. Alabama was fortunate with Saban coming back. But do you not think that USC can land a big name coach? They're the OSU/Michigan of the west coast, and they could only get some schmuck from Washington (yes, I know the ties but that was not a big name hire). Typically you don't see big name coaches going to new schools. You see big name universities CREATE big name coaches. When Florida hired Urban and LSU hired Saban, yes they were good coaches, but not "big name" coaches. They BECAME "big name" coaches at Florida and LSU.
Fortunately for us, I don't see Hoke becoming a big name coach at Michigan :)
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Absolutely no one would say JT was a big name coach when he was hired from Youngstown St. Same for LLLLLLLLLLoyd at scUM where scUM was his first HC job in college football. It's not necessarily about the name, it is about ability. That's why the Utah St. guy will be good for Wisconsin in the long run, he knows what he is doing. Same with Minnesota. The jury is out on guys like Beckman and Hazell but especially Beckman, because he won with a lot of kids that weren't his recruits.
the Big Ten is about where the SEC was in the late 90s. Some good teams, one team that is leading the way (in the SEC's case that was Florida) and an every once in a while good to great year from another team (Tennecheat/Auburn/LSU) up until Florida hired Meyer in 2005. That started an arms race that hasn't stopped yet down there but may be slowing down some.
The same thing needs to happen in the Big Ten.
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It's very, very hard to have a window to get Urban, let alone sign him. That said, there's a big difference between what PSU did (hire a well thought of up and comer, even if he's a bit inexperienced) and what UM did.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
The point was not whether JT was a good choice or if Meyer is a big name. The point is that at one point in time three of what one would have to think were among the best jobs in college coaching went to people that weren't on anyone's top pick list. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2001/01/15/bellotti_osu_ap/
Just for the record - I'm glad Stoops said 'no.' Who knows what Belotti was offered by Phil Knight to stay at Oregon? But, if you go back through the news stories, the selection of Tressel went against the expectations of the fans and alums. It looked as if OSU was grasping at straws. Lucky they grabbed the right straw, but he was by no means proof that Ohio State was a coaches' dream location.
There are several reasons that could factor into it. Given that three of the biggest talent pools are Florida, California and Texas means you're recruiting out of state and out of region much of your time. Penn State was toxic when Bubba accepted (didn't keep Kiffin from jumping to USC). SEC money, culture and academics may make those jobs more attractive. If you're hoping to win an NC you're guaranteed playing out of region to do so. School presidents run the Big Ten - not ADs and coaches. A perception, correct or incorrect, - backed by NFL draft records and rosters - that the overall talent pool in the Big Ten has dropped.
Subsequent searches - Michigan's two - leading to Rich Rod and Hoke - had to raise eyes. Penn State fans still think the Harbaugh brothers and Nick Saban are going to arrive on campus any day now. OSU was smart. They gave the program a year to search - if needed - in relative security by hiring Luke for a year and evidently tying things up with Meyer in the intervening time.
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
Not sure what the fascination is with "big names." Bob Stoops wasn't a big name before Oklahoma, Tressel we know about, Chip Kelly wasn't a big name before Oregon.
It's not about the name, it's about the ability -- and recruiting ability is at the top of the "ability" required.
It's not about the name, it's about the ability -- and recruiting ability is at the top of the "ability" required.
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I'd say the ability to bring in a good complimentary coaching staff and the ability to develop your players are the biggest keys. Cooper could recruit, hell even Hoke has recruited well....
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BayBuck
Buckeyes are best
Here's a timeline from SI at the time of Tressel's hiring:
Jan. 1: Ohio State loses to South Carolina 24-7 in the Outback Bowl.
Jan. 2: Head coach John Cooper fired after 13 seasons (111-43-4).
Jan. 4: Ohio State's advisory committee meets; A day after he wins the national championship Orange Bowl, Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops is rumored to be on OSU's wish list.
Jan. 5: Minnesota gives OSU permission to speak with head coach and OSU alumnus Glen Mason. Pittsburgh turns down permission to speak with former Cooper assistant Walt Harris, who says he's not interested.
Jan. 8: Longtime Buckeyes assistant Fred Pagac interviews for the job with AD Andy Geiger while in Atlanta for a coaches convention.
Jan. 9: Mason, Youngstown State head coach Jim Tressel and Stanford head coach Tyrone Willingam interview in Atlanta.
Jan. 10: Former Buckeyes player and Columbus radio host Chris Spielman interviews at Geiger's home.
Jan. 12: Harris takes himself out of consideration.
Jan. 13: Stoops, since rumored for the Cleveland Browns job, tells fans at an Oklahoma basketball game he is staying with the Sooners.
Jan. 14: Willingham, who does not reveal whether he was ever an official candidate, says he's staying at Stanford.
Jan. 15: Oregon head coach Mike Bellotti, previously only mentioned in rumors, tours the Ohio State campus with Geiger.
Jan. 16: Oakland Raiders head coach Jon Gruden withdraws his name from consideration for the Ohio State head coaching job. Bellotti withdraws as well.
Jan. 17: Tressel hired as head coach, and will be introduced Jan. 18
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2001/01/17/osu_coach/
Tressel was potentially the 4th candidate approached about the job (Pagac was probably not seriously considered), with Bellotti and Gruden the "big" later names in the mix. It was actually over a week between Tressel's interview with Geiger and the announcement of his hiring.
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