2012 Elite Eight: #2 tOSU 77, #1 Syracuse 70 (Final!)

[3074326]

Damn, I figured bitching about the officiating would end after the Buckeyes won.

It's like every game tops the previous as the worst officiated game in the history of basketball.

This one was awful.... but I feel like that's pretty much what all of BP's basketball threads have been consumed with all season.

 

[osucollegebuck]

Who gives a [censored]? We won the game. On to the next one.

BTW, the second foul called on him was [censored]ing bull[Mark May]...

Exactly..."survive and advance" - Jim Valvano!!!!

 

[BUCKYLE]

Damn, I figured bitching about the officiating would end after the Buckeyes won.

It's like every game tops the previous as the worst officiated game in the history of basketball.

This one was awful.... but I feel like that's pretty much what all of BP's basketball threads have been consumed with all season.

So in your post bitching about people bitching about officiating, you throw in a little bitchiness about the refs too?

Bravo.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Coach Matta was in perfect position to act as an acoustic barrier. Textbook.

I didn't even notice that the first time. You can see Thad start to yell as he exits the screen to the left, covering Sully's voice I'm sure. That's good shit.

I've seen this stated often. Sully put his hand on the guy's hip as he glided by in the air. How much of a push he gave him is very hard to tell. It's a situation where refs sometimes wait to see if the shot was made, and then call a foul only if the shot was missed. In this case, the guy obviously blew the whistle right away.

But it wasn't a phantom call like the one where Waiters hit the front of the rim on a dunk after going down the middle of the lane untouched.

No, it's really not that hard. I'm no college bball player, but I've played enough to know that no matter how big a dude you're shoving, once he leaves his feet, it doesn't take much to put him into the second row. That wasn't a foul. Period. In my imo, of course.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Damn, I figured bitching about the officiating would end after the Buckeyes won.

It's like every game tops the previous as the worst officiated game in the history of basketball.

This one was awful.... but I feel like that's pretty much what all of BP's basketball threads have been consumed with all season.

I watch a lot of college basketball. This was the worst officiated game I've ever seen. The fact that it was that bad for both teams just means the refs suck.

 

[Buckskin86]

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[cjmik_75]

I watch a lot of college basketball. This was the worst officiated game I've ever seen. The fact that it was that bad for both teams just means the refs suck.

Worst officiated basketball game ever? IDK 1972 Olympics USSR v USA in Munich Germany still tops them all.

But that was international bb not NCAA bb...

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

And I wasn't born yet :p

I know about that game only because of the ridiculousness at the end. Was the hole game that bad? This one was......and with no favoritism to either team. You'd think you would have to try to be that bad at your job. Unless 1 ref was on the take for Syracuse and another was getting paid by OSU

 

[BB73]

No, it's really not that hard. I'm no college bball player, but I've played enough to know that no matter how big a dude you're shoving, once he leaves his feet, it doesn't take much to put him into the second row. That wasn't a foul. Period. In my imo, of course.

The in-the-air hip shove is an old trick by defensive players to throw a guy off as he's about to release his shot. A hard shove will put the guy in the second row, but those are obvious fouls. Defensive players give little shoves in the hope that the guy will get thrown off a little, but that it won't be an obvious foul. Those are tough to judge.

I don't think that play should have been called a foul. I don't have a problem with the refs that wait to see if the basket is good before blowing the whistle if it's missed. Of course, sometimes a foul gets called just because a guy blows a layup; but the refs have to decide whether they'll let the little shoves go, only call the foul if the shot is missed, or call a foul if they see a shove, even if it's a little one.

My point is that there was something there for the ref to see, and that although it was a tough foul, it wasn't a phantom call, so tOSU fans shouldn't still be complaining about it.

 

[BUCKYLE]

The in-the-air hip shove is an old trick by defensive players to throw a guy off as he's about to release his shot. A hard shove will put the guy in the second row, but those are obvious fouls. Defensive players give little shoves in the hope that the guy will get thrown off a little, but that it won't be an obvious foul. Those are tough to judge.

I don't think that play should have been called a foul. I don't have a problem with the refs that wait to see if the basket is good before blowing the whistle if it's missed. Of course, sometimes a foul gets called just because a guy blows a layup; but the refs have to decide whether they'll let the little shoves go, only call the foul if the shot is missed, or call a foul if they see a shove, even if it's a little one.

My point is that there was something there for the ref to see, and that although it was a tough foul, it wasn't a phantom call, so tOSU fans shouldn't still be complaining about it.

I was always under the assumption that the reason they waited to call those was that if it went in they would signal "and one", not that they wouldn't call it at all if the basket was made.

It's a horrible decision to call the second foul on an All American that early in the half of a game of that magnitude on ticky tack shit like that. Can the ref do it? Of course. The argument I'm making is it's such a fucking retarded call to make that it deserves to be bitched about for a while after.

 

[scarletmike]

The in-the-air hip shove is an old trick by defensive players to throw a guy off as he's about to release his shot. A hard shove will put the guy in the second row, but those are obvious fouls. Defensive players give little shoves in the hope that the guy will get thrown off a little, but that it won't be an obvious foul. Those are tough to judge.

I don't think that play should have been called a foul. I don't have a problem with the refs that wait to see if the basket is good before blowing the whistle if it's missed. Of course, sometimes a foul gets called just because a guy blows a layup; but the refs have to decide whether they'll let the little shoves go, only call the foul if the shot is missed, or call a foul if they see a shove, even if it's a little one.

My point is that there was something there for the ref to see, and that although it was a tough foul, it wasn't a phantom call, so tOSU fans shouldn't still be complaining about it.

I have a big problem with it. If it's a foul, it's a foul and you call it immediately. You can easily signal the basket good if it drops in because you have to wait for it to come down anyway for foul shots or to take it out of bounds. If there's interference after the whistle is blown by a player not already in motion (i.e. a blocked shot by someone on the ground when the foul was called), you count the shot by way of interference/goaltending. None of this bullshit "it's only a foul if he doesn't make the shot." That mindset of calling it if the shot misses or not calling if it drops creates a pretty blatant bias, at least on that specific call, if not for all the following similar calls/no calls.

You make the call when the foul happens, period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

 

[BlufftonBuckeye]

48 fouls, 40 minutes.

Atrociously officiated game.

If they hadn't sat Sully in the first half this sucker woulda been over by half. They had no answer, and Zelle came to play.

I'm still on a high from this win.

GO BUCKS!

 

[BB73]

I have a big problem with it. If it's a foul, it's a foul and you call it immediately. You can easily signal the basket good if it drops in because you have to wait for it to come down anyway for foul shots or to take it out of bounds. If there's interference after the whistle is blown by a player not already in motion (i.e. a blocked shot by someone on the ground when the foul was called), you count the shot by way of interference/goaltending. None of this bullshit "it's only a foul if he doesn't make the shot." That mindset of calling it if the shot misses or not calling if it drops creates a pretty blatant bias, at least on that specific call, if not for all the following similar calls/no calls.

You make the call when the foul happens, period. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

I believe that in the ref's minds, they're using whether or not the ball went in to judge the amount of force in the shove, so in that regard, it's part of the decision on whether or not it was a foul. So that's how they justify the delay. Not all refs do it, but it's common in the NBA, where experienced refs look for the hip-shove.

I was always under the assumption that the reason they waited to call those was that if it went in they would signal "and one", not that they wouldn't call it at all if the basket was made.

They usually blow the whistle and raise their hand into the air right away on a shooting foul, and then if the ball goes in, they bring the hand down to count the basket. Or if you're Ted Valentine, Ed Hightower, or some other showboating ref and the home team is getting the call - take three or four running steps onto the court and violently throw down the arm to the cheers of the crowd.

But there normally isn't a delay in blowing the whistle on a shooting foul, unless it's a situation like the 'in-the-air' shove on the shooter.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I believe that in the ref's minds, they're using whether or not the ball went in to judge the amount of force in the shove, so in that regard, it's part of the decision on whether or not it was a foul. So that's how they justify the delay. Not all refs do it, but it's common in the NBA, where experienced refs look for the hip-shove

That's horse shit as well. The fact that the player misses the shot doesn't necessarily mean he was fouled. In my imo, there's no justification. I get your reasoning, but it's hollow. If it's a foul, it's a foul.

In the NBA, refs look for bullshit calls to make in favor of the Jordans and Lebrons.

 

[MaxBuck]

I love the fact that among all the fouls called, none of them was for the illegal screens that Syracuse set every single possession. I have gotten so mad about moving screens, I could spit.