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2012-13 Big Ten Basketball

LitlBuck;2278233; said:
Have to feel sorry for the mildcats of Northwestern. For the second year in a row, they lose their leading scorer for the season. This year it is Crawford and last year was Coble. Have to put them down with PSU is one Nebraska now.

You know, Coble redshirted in the 2010 season and his last year of eligibility would have been 2011, and 2011 was the season he missed that could've put them over the top. But at what point do you stop feeling sorry for them and start being critical? The Coble situation kind of underscores the poor decision-making that has allowed the NCAA-less streak to continue. What happened was that Coble was taking longer to recover from an injury, and Carmody didn't think he was working hard enough to rehab, and since Coble was unable to make a foreign trip over the summer Carmody basically kicked him off the team. That was one of the most bizarre injury situations I've ever seen, a coach basically kicking a player off the team for believing the player wasn't working hard enough to get healthy in the summer. It was more of an incredibly dumb move by Northwestern in the Coble situation than anything. Clearly the kid wanted to play basketball, as he has since played in the NBDL.

Northwestern has raked in the millions just like anyone else in the B1G thanks to BTN, yet where is the commitment to basketball? There isn't any. They have the worst arena in the league and no imminent plans on upgrading. They have no basketball practice facility. They just don't care about putting a good effort into their program. They are more interested in growing their endowment than investing in their basketball program. If they don't care enough to commit money to their program, why should you feel sorry for them continuing to be mired in mediocrity? You shouldn't. I saw they are working on an athletic complex to be placed on the lakefront (maybe something like the RPAC), and they might be able to use gyms in that complex to practice basketball in, but that is a long way across campus from where the arena is.

Carmody has had so many years, why is it that he has never gotten a roster with the talent to make the tournament? I know it's hard to recruit there, but you would think that at some point he would get a team together that is a contender - he's the 2nd-longest tenured coach in the league. I don't blame Carmody as much for the school's lack of commitment to the program, but he should've made the tournament by now. You're in the Big Ten, if you are worth your salt as a talent evaluator you will be able to field at least one team that makes the tournament in 12 years. Even if at first he didn't fully understand the level of talent he needed to go from Princeton to the Big Ten, he's had many years to get it right and hasn't.

Redshirting Crawford is basically giving up on making the tourney this season, even though they had just beaten Baylor on the road with Crawford and in spite of his injury. Of course they would've had to win many games in the Big Ten this year, which was going to prove difficult, but they are already waving the white flag.
 
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DZ83CK;2278063; said:
Yeah, the Butler-Indiana game was a very good college game. But you have to seriously question the hype of IU at this time, as they not only aren't the #1 team in the country, after this loss you ought to believe that they are just one of a handful of teams that could win the Big Ten as opposed to the prohibitive favorite they were made out to be.

I'm not sure they were ever the prohibitive favorite. Sure they began the year number 1, but OSU and TSUN were also in the top 5.
 
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Jake;2278318; said:
I'm not sure they were ever the prohibitive favorite. Sure they began the year number 1, but OSU and TSUN were also in the top 5.

Show me where a sports reporter/magazine picked a different team to win the Big Ten before the season. They were a consensus favorite. Maybe they shouldn't have been considering OSU has won at least a share of the title 3 straight years, but they were. OSU and UM were highly rated, but no one picked them to win the title in the preseason.
 
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Show me where a sports reporter/magazine picked a different team to win the Big Ten before the season. They were a consensus favorite. Maybe they shouldn't have been considering OSU has won at least a share of the title 3 straight years, but they were. OSU and UM were highly rated, but no one picked them to win the title in the preseason.
I believe he was talking nationally not just Big 10.
 
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Indiana was definitely the prohibitive favorite of the B1G - they've been hyped as the best team in the nation for this season since the day after Kentucky beat Kansas in New Orleans. For some reason, there was this expectation and "Hoosier-Hype" brought on by the media and "experts" that this team would suddenly become a good road team, suddenly play some sort of competent defense, and suddenly vault to the top of college basketball just because they returned the majority of their team.

I've said it since I first heard IU would be the preseason #1 and B1G favorite - they don't impress me. They are a much, much better team at home than on the road, as they basically feed off their crowd and obvious home-cooking. Their most impressive road victory last season was at Purdue, and could not even beat Nebraska in Lincoln. Top ten team? Yes, probably. Top 5? Don't think so. If teams will bang on Zeller and make him play a physical game, you can beat IU. The problem is at Assembly Hall, you can't do that without your entire frontline getting into foul trouble.
 
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Bulls-Eye;2279245; said:
Indiana was definitely the prohibitive favorite of the B1G - they've been hyped as the best team in the nation for this season since the day after Kentucky beat Kansas in New Orleans. For some reason, there was this expectation and "Hoosier-Hype" brought on by the media and "experts" that this team would suddenly become a good road team, suddenly play some sort of competent defense, and suddenly vault to the top of college basketball just because they returned the majority of their team.

I've said it since I first heard IU would be the preseason #1 and B1G favorite - they don't impress me. They are a much, much better team at home than on the road, as they basically feed off their crowd and obvious home-cooking. Their most impressive road victory last season was at Purdue, and could not even beat Nebraska in Lincoln. Top ten team? Yes, probably. Top 5? Don't think so. If teams will bang on Zeller and make him play a physical game, you can beat IU. The problem is at Assembly Hall, you can't do that without your entire frontline getting into foul trouble.



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Bulls-Eye;2279245; said:
Indiana was definitely the prohibitive favorite of the B1G - they've been hyped as the best team in the nation for this season since the day after Kentucky beat Kansas in New Orleans. For some reason, there was this expectation and "Hoosier-Hype" brought on by the media and "experts" that this team would suddenly become a good road team, suddenly play some sort of competent defense, and suddenly vault to the top of college basketball just because they returned the majority of their team.

I've said it since I first heard IU would be the preseason #1 and B1G favorite - they don't impress me. They are a much, much better team at home than on the road, as they basically feed off their crowd and obvious home-cooking. Their most impressive road victory last season was at Purdue, and could not even beat Nebraska in Lincoln. Top ten team? Yes, probably. Top 5? Don't think so. If teams will bang on Zeller and make him play a physical game, you can beat IU. The problem is at Assembly Hall, you can't do that without your entire frontline getting into foul trouble.

Agreed. They're a rich man's version of last year's scUM team--undefeated at home, but a lot worse on the road or a neutral floor (and when I say "a lot worse," that even takes into account that all teams perform better at home).
 
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The Gophers will be a team that will give us some problems when we play them not to mention the other teams in the conference. It is nice that we only have to play them once because they won't have those problems.
 
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Besides their pitiful shooting in their two biggest games, concentration and attention to detail were issues at times for the Buckeyes during the nonconference schedule. That might explain the 47.1 effort (13 of 27) at the free-throw line on Saturday. Ohio State enters the Big Ten shooting 68.9 percent from the line, seventh among conference teams, and has been under 70 percent in three of its past four games. Especially with Illinois ahead, the Buckeyes need to make sure they rotate on defense and get out on three-point shooters. Chicago State made three of four from outside the arc in the first 31/2 minutes. Ohio State ranked eighth among Big Ten teams in threes allowed per game in nonconference play.
Deshaun Thomas, the Big Ten’s leading scorer, has been steady and reliable if not spectacular lately. That might be his standard until someone — or two — steps up to share the scoring load with him. Lenzelle Smith Jr. took a step in that direction (13 points, six rebounds) against Chicago State by attacking the basket more instead of settling for jump shots. Now he needs to do it against man-to-man defenses. Evan Ravenel came off the bench for the first time and had a career-high 10 rebounds in 16 minutes. Coach Thad Matta didn’t tip his hand as to whether he is planning to stick with Amir Williams in the starting lineup, but he did say, “I love what (Ravenel) gave us off the bench today.” Could skinny freshman Amedeo Della Valle be a legitimate shot in the arm for the offense in the Big Ten if no one else is making shots? He made three threes and scored 11 points in 13 minutes against Chicago State.

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LitlBuck;2285881; said:
Groce will have them fired up when we visit Assembly Hall this coming Saturday with that lackluster performance against Purdue.

I hope tOSU can match the intensity Illinois will show on Sat., I almost feel the Bucks come into these games to laid back, I hope I am proven wrong.
 
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