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2011 TSUN shenanigans and arguments (off season)

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jwinslow;1935123; said:
You play dumb very badly.
:lol: Do tell, why would Chuck lie about accepting benefits? What possible good could come from that, for himself, his university or his reputation?
Right, because that's the only source that matters.
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Again the claim was made, all I ask for was a link. From what I understand it was the agent who claimed to have a relation with Chuck and gave him money?

Is the above correct?
 
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BUCKYLE;1935162; said:
I think you mean "Have relations".
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Thanks for the help.

This is what I found
"The only comparable situation is 1997 winner Charles Woodson, who in 2001 was alleged to have taken almost $14,000 in improper benefits from an agent during his Heisman campaign. Woodson denied taking benefits, and the University of Michigan and NCAA were never able to substantiate claims of impropriety."

So the NCAA and Michigan looked into it, does anyone have a link to the agents court transcripts?
 
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germ;1935164; said:
Thanks for the help.

This is what I found
"The only comparable situation is 1997 winner Charles Woodson, who in 2001 was alleged to have taken almost $14,000 in improper benefits from an agent during his Heisman campaign. Woodson denied taking benefits, and the University of Michigan and NCAA were never able to substantiate claims of impropriety."

So the NCAA and Michigan looked into it, does anyone have a link to the agents court transcripts?
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Sounds like they scanned over it and shrugged their shoulders much like the Cam Newton situation. :lol:
 
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Working on the link but it is slow from a phone.

He got over 10k from Mr. Jones, but nothing came of the um investigation the same way nothing happened to UM bball until an actual governing body forced Martin and others to talk. The only proof the fed investigation cared about was establishing a relationship between jones and woodson, as he was one of many clients of the scumbag Jones. They established that he flew woodson down before the senior year, bought him fancy clothes, was part of his posse at the Heisman, and that Woodson strangely had to pay him six figures right after leaving UM , long before the draft, which is quite backwards since his job is to secure a big contract and get a cut of that.

The same way nothing came of Pryors stuff until the feds forced the evidence down their throat as unintentionally as with ed Martin, and even at that, the only reason it got crazy serious was because someone at OSU found those Tressel emails.

The same way that nothing happened with USC until yahoo and a feud with Reggie's hopeful posse led to an avalanche of evidence they didn't want.
 
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jwinslow;1935179; said:
... Woodson strangely had to pay him six figures right after leaving UM , long before the draft, which is quite backwards since his job is to secure a big contract and get a cut of that.
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that's not strange. it is quite common for a college player to take out a loan to pay an agent a six-digit figure before the draft. :lol:
 
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germ;1935169; said:
I am sure they did, but I don't think Cam situation is over yet.
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Because the feds are forcing the issue inadvertently again, just like OSU, UM. Jim Tressel actually did what the ncaa wants him to do, as twisted and sick as that is.

With Woodson, he claimed he never took anything, but they had proof of some stuff like airfare before senior year to their office, clothes, presence at the Heisman ceremony, the suspicious six figure payout. They only wanted to establish a link as a client since Jones was a snake screwing NFL players over.

I believe he finally admitted to it but am having trouble finding that link.

Still small potatoes vs Auburn. You have to add up the money value in the OSU suspensions and the 14k for Woodson just to rent Cam for a month in college.
 
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germ;1935193; said:
Well I have looked this past hour and have not found anything yet.

Now Ed Martin I know about, I actually knew of one of his gambling games inside auto plants here in MI and NW Ohio.
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Where have you been looking?

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Now I know the inevitable "I gotcha" moment occurs in your mind because its not from the official NCAA News Agency that you seem to think exists but its certainly something.

Byline: Michael Rosenberg and Joe Swickard
DETROIT _ It was the pinnacle of Charles Woodson's college football career, one of the most memorable days in Heisman Trophy history. On Dec. 13, 1997, Woodson became the first defensive player to win the Heisman, the most renowned individual trophy in American team sports.
Woodson celebrated at the ceremony with his mother, Georgia, and a few others, including a South Carolina man named Marion Darnell Jones. Less than a month later _ one day after Michigan won the Rose Bowl and before the Wolverines were even voted co-national champions _ Woodson signed a contract with Jones' talent agency, Summit Management Group Ltd. of Columbia, S.C.
Since then, quite a few people have paid dearly for Woodson's relationship with Summit and its associates. A big chunk of Woodson's pro earnings were misused, federal investigators say. Jones, Summit partner James E. Brown, a real estate agent and a credit union president have all been indicted in what appears to be an elaborate fraud scheme.
And, because Woodson apparently violated NCAA rules before and during his Heisman-winning season, Michigan has seen its most celebrated season tarnished in the eyes of some fans.
The 56-count federal indictment against Jones, Brown, Willie Williams Jr. and Andre Lewis, and Free Press interviews with people familiar with the situation, paint a picture of a financial house of cards for Summit _ a house that collapsed on Woodson and others.
Among the allegations:
Huge sums of Woodson's money were misused by Summit through mismanagement and deceit and forged documents.
Woodson began a relationship with Summit before his college career ended, a violation of NCAA rules. Woodson, an Ohio native, was one of the few clients of the Columbia firm without ties to South Carolina.
People ?
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There is also an easy to find USA Today article floating around that summarizes the case as it pertains to Woodson and his eligibility the same way.

a highlight:
In May, The State of Columbia, S.C., cited receipts found in Summit's abandoned offices that showed Woodson took a trip to South Carolina at the company's expense in May 1997. The paper also said Woodson was fitted for a tuxedo at a Columbia clothier two weeks before accepting the Heisman Trophy.
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So again while not directly from your NCAANA its two different accredited news articles from about the same time saying about the same thing.

But like you said, an hour on the intertubes and you couldn't find anything. :roll1:
 
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