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2011 TSUN news

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brutus2002;1856704; said:
Tony Posada OT will open up his recruitment. I guess Michigan has another soft Verbal.
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brutus2002;1856722; said:
Jake Fisher another OL commit has already opened his...that leaves Jack Miller as their only true OL commit right now Ouch!!!
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[stadium and main poster]They weren't any good anyway.[stadium and main poster/]
 
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This is a huge blow to Michigan's 2011 class as they have now lost both their ESPN150 commits in Hart and Crawford.
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It isn't just about quality anymore. If they lose Posada and their other "soft" verbals they are down to just 9 commits. (Five if you only count kids taller than 5'10".)
 
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Interesting denouement from Brian over at mgoblog:

But I think the way this went down proves that all the things rivals say about Michigan are true. This is an unbelievably arrogant program convinced its past glories are greater and more recent than they are, certain outsiders have nothing to teach it. We will enter bowl games against opponents that say "boy, that Michigan just lines up and comes after you," and we probably won't win many of them. We never have, and trying to out-execute Alabama or Oregon seems like a tall order these days.

I hoped we could be block-M Michigan without that, that we could have an exciting, modern offense that pumped out Michigan Men and maybe shredded Oklahoma for 48 points in a BCS game. I hoped we could reboot the program, keeping the things we treasure about it but maybe leaving the dismal bowl record and recent inability to compete with Ohio State behind. For a lot of reasons we can't. We are who we are.

So, no, I'm not super happy. On the field I was done with Lloyd Carr, done with punting from the 34 and running the same damn zone stretch thirty times a game, done with the premise that it's only the players who have to execute on gameday. To me, getting back to being Michigan means going 9-3 and losing to Jim Tressel. I remember thinking "this is the year" every year growing up, expecting great things literally every season until Rodriguez showed up and Mallett transferred. I don't think that now, and I can't imagine feeling like that in the future. Sometimes having an identity feels like having a ceiling.
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Can't say I disagree with a syllable. Wonder if this qualifies him as a "hater"?
 
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Not that Hoke wont redirect things, but it is time for one of my favorite posts - the state of Michigan recruiting.

Position by position (per Scout):

QB - 7 offers. Six have committed elsewhere. Only candidate left is Cardale Jone - who is a Buckeye if we offer.

Their #1 QB target is going to that school from Ohio.

RB - 9 offers. A commit from #14 rated Hayes with two candidates still on the board.

WR - 14 offers. A commit from #64 rated Conway. The top 7 are going elsewhere with 5 still on the board.

Their #6 WR target is going to that school from Ohio.

TE - 8 (yes 8) offers. No commits. Top 4 going elsewhere with 4 still on the board.

Their #4 TE target is going to that school from Ohio.

OL - 21 offers. 14 going elsewhere. They have two commits - but both are now soft verbals.

DT - 9 offers. Zero hits with only one still available.

Their #1, #2 and #6 rated DT targets are all going to that school from Ohio.

DE - 16 offers. Commits from the #9 and #67 at the position. Six still uncommitted.

Their #1 DE target is going to that school from Ohio.

LB - 15 offers. Commits from #14 and #43 MLB. Five still in play.

S - 9 offers. No hits with 3 still in play.

Their #5 Safety target is going to that school from Ohio.

CB - 12 offers. Commits from #18, #39 and #50. Two still available (one of whom is soft to UM).

Their #1 CB target is going to that school from Ohio.


# of kids offered by Michigan who are going to that school from Ohio: NINE

# of kids offered by that school from Ohio who are going to Michigan: ZERO

Not only are we out-recruiting Michigan, we have a far better class if you only counted kids who received UM offers.

With the exception of RB (where we have offered no one and have arguable the deepest stable in school history) we have out-recruited UM at every position on the field.


Twenty shopping days till Christmas.
 
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To me, getting back to being Michigan means going 9-3 and losing to Jim Tressel.
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This follows what I was saying earlier about how Earl Bruce is Michigan's standard. Outside of the 70's when Bo put together a streak of 1 loss seasons, you can count the number of one loss (or better) seasons Michigan has achieved since 1940 on one hand.

Michigan:
1997 12-0 (National Championship)
1992 9-0-3
1985 10-1-1
1974 10-1 (lost to Ohio State)
1973 10-0-1 (tied Ohio State)
1972 10-1 (lost to Ohio State)
1971 11-1
1970 9-1 (lost to Ohio State)
1964 9-1
1947 10-0 (National Championship)

compared to Ohio State:

2010 12-1
2006 12-1
2002 14-0 (National Championship)
1998 11-1
1996 11-1 (lost to Michigan)
1993 10-1-1 (lost to Michigan)
1979 11-1
1975 11-1
1973 10-0-1 (tied Michigan)
1970 9-1
1969 8-1 (lost to Michigan)
1968 10-0 (National Championship)
1961 8-0-1
1957 9-1 (National Championship)
1954 10-0 (National Championship)
1949 7-1-2 (tied Michigan)
1944 9-0
1942 9-1 (National Championship)
1941 6-1-1 (tied Michigan)

So yeah, one of these things is not like the other.
 
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Buckeye86;1856818; said:
...you can count the number of one loss (or better) seasons Michigan has achieved since 1940 on one hand.

Michigan:
1997 12-0 (National Championship)
1992 9-0-3
1985 10-1-1
1974 10-1 (lost to Ohio State)
1973 10-0-1 (tied Ohio State)
1972 10-1 (lost to Ohio State)
1971 11-1
1970 9-1 (lost to Ohio State)
1964 9-1
1947 10-0 (National Championship)
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Er, exactly how many fingers do you have on one hand? You list ten years here. :lol:

With Ohio State, using your hands, you could count the number of one loss or better seasons achieved since 1940 (19) on two hands. :wink2:
 
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Since you included the '40s, TSUN also had a 9-0 mark in 1948, an 8-1 record in 1943, and a 6-1-1 slate in 1941.

tOSU also was 6-1-2 in '58.
 
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MightbeaBuck;1856825; said:
Er, exactly how many fingers do you have on one hand? You list ten years here. :lol:

With Ohio State, using your hands, you could count the number of one loss or better seasons achieved since 1940 (19) on two hands. :wink2:
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I wasn't counting Bo's years... convenient I know.

As to your next post, you are correct.

The bottom line is fuck Michigan, the amount of arrogance is infinitely greater than the actual amount of on field success they have had, particularly since the 70's.
 
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Buckeye86;1856829; said:
I wasn't counting Bo's years... convenient I know.

As to your next post, you are correct.

The bottom line is fuck Michigan, the amount of arrogance is infinitly greater than the actual amount of on field success they have had, particularly since the 70's.
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No worries... so you had to use both hands. Many men would kill to have that type of problem, as it were.
 
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