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For tracking the race in the Leaders Division.
Team......Conf..Div-Wins...........Div-Losses.....Div-Remng..........Cross-Remng
PSU.......5-0...Ind,Purd,Ill.......----...........@tOSU, @Wisc..........Neb
tOSU......2-2...Ill,Wisc...........----...........Ind,@Purd,PSU.........@TSUN
Wisc......2-2...Ind................tOSU...........Purd,@Ill,PSU........@Minn
Purd......2-2...Ill................PSU............@Wisc,tOSU,@Ind......Iowa
Conference record in all games is the first thing. B1G Tiebreakers first go to head-to-head, so 2-ways are easy, and 3-ways are easy if 1 team beat both of the others. But the 3-way tie where they each beat each other goes to the team with the fewest losses within the division. After that, it gets weird and complicated.
If PSU wins at least 2 of their last 3 games, they're either 7-1 or 8-0 and in the CCG.
If tOSU wins out, the Buckeyes need PSU to also lose either against Nebraska or at Wisconsin (PSU-Wisc is the same day as The Game, right after Thanksgiving, but probably a later kickoff, assuming tOSU-TSUN is at noon ET). The Buckeyes would be 5-0 in the division and own all of the tiebreakers against everybody.
For Wiscy to win the division, they need to win out AND have tOSU lose another game, AND have PSU lose another game besides the PSU-Wiscy game; since at 6-2 the only tie-breaker they can win is the head-to-head with Penn State being the only other 6-2 team.
Team......Conf..Div-Wins...........Div-Losses.....Div-Remng..........Cross-Remng
PSU.......5-0...Ind,Purd,Ill.......----...........@tOSU, @Wisc..........Neb
tOSU......2-2...Ill,Wisc...........----...........Ind,@Purd,PSU.........@TSUN
Wisc......2-2...Ind................tOSU...........Purd,@Ill,PSU........@Minn
Purd......2-2...Ill................PSU............@Wisc,tOSU,@Ind......Iowa
Conference record in all games is the first thing. B1G Tiebreakers first go to head-to-head, so 2-ways are easy, and 3-ways are easy if 1 team beat both of the others. But the 3-way tie where they each beat each other goes to the team with the fewest losses within the division. After that, it gets weird and complicated.
If PSU wins at least 2 of their last 3 games, they're either 7-1 or 8-0 and in the CCG.
If tOSU wins out, the Buckeyes need PSU to also lose either against Nebraska or at Wisconsin (PSU-Wisc is the same day as The Game, right after Thanksgiving, but probably a later kickoff, assuming tOSU-TSUN is at noon ET). The Buckeyes would be 5-0 in the division and own all of the tiebreakers against everybody.
For Wiscy to win the division, they need to win out AND have tOSU lose another game, AND have PSU lose another game besides the PSU-Wiscy game; since at 6-2 the only tie-breaker they can win is the head-to-head with Penn State being the only other 6-2 team.
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BB73;2023897; said:
I don't see this happening. They have Nebraska at home and then go on the road to Ohio State and Wisconsin. Ohio State is good enough to beat them and Wisconsin is tough at Camp Randall. Penn State has not beaten anyone of significance yet this year. They could lose all of those games.
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Team......Conf..Div-Wins...........Div-Losses.....Div-Remng..........Cross-Remng
PSU.......5-1...Ind,Purd,Ill.......----...........@tOSU, @Wisc........
Wisc......4-2...Ind,Purd...........tOSU...........@Ill,PS U...........
tOSU......3-3...Ill,Wisc,Ind.......Purd...........PSU................@TSUN
Purd......3-3...Ill,tOSU...........PSU,[email protected]
If Wisconsin wins at Illinois, the tOSU-PSU game is meaningless as far as the division title, since the winner of the Wiscy-PSU game would go to the CCG no matter who wins PSU-tOSU.
But if Wiscy loses at Illinois, the possibility of a 3-way or 4-way tie exists. All 3-way and 4-way tie possibilities include both Wiscy and Penn State.
tOSU would win a 3-way tie with PSU and Wiscy, and tOSU would also win a 4-way tie (since tOSU and Wiscy would be 2-1 in games among the 4, and owns the head-to-head over Wiscy), and the group-head-to-head record is used to whittle it down to 2 teams and then the individual head-to-head is applied.
So tOSU is technically still alive in the division - it requires a Wiscy loss at Illinois, AND a Wiscy win over PSU, AND 2 wins for OSU. Purdue's results don't affect tOSU's chances.
PSU.......5-1...Ind,Purd,Ill.......----...........@tOSU, @Wisc........
Wisc......4-2...Ind,Purd...........tOSU...........@Ill,PS U...........
tOSU......3-3...Ill,Wisc,Ind.......Purd...........PSU................@TSUN
Purd......3-3...Ill,tOSU...........PSU,[email protected]
If Wisconsin wins at Illinois, the tOSU-PSU game is meaningless as far as the division title, since the winner of the Wiscy-PSU game would go to the CCG no matter who wins PSU-tOSU.
But if Wiscy loses at Illinois, the possibility of a 3-way or 4-way tie exists. All 3-way and 4-way tie possibilities include both Wiscy and Penn State.
tOSU would win a 3-way tie with PSU and Wiscy, and tOSU would also win a 4-way tie (since tOSU and Wiscy would be 2-1 in games among the 4, and owns the head-to-head over Wiscy), and the group-head-to-head record is used to whittle it down to 2 teams and then the individual head-to-head is applied.
So tOSU is technically still alive in the division - it requires a Wiscy loss at Illinois, AND a Wiscy win over PSU, AND 2 wins for OSU. Purdue's results don't affect tOSU's chances.
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