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2011-2012 Men's Buckeye Basketball (Final Four Season)

lord vegas;2006672; said:
To our older members, How deep was our champinship team? Was it comprised of a few HOF horses and a bunch of avg. role players or was it deep from top to bottom?
I would not call any of the starting five players a average role player. They were not all as good as Lucas but they were very good players in their own right. Besides the starting five, there were two guys (one was Knight) who saw some meaningful time that season.
 
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NINJA BUCK13;2006352; said:
+ Sibert and Smith Jr.

This obviously debatable.

I think Buford as a Sr is better than Cook as a freshman. Craft and Conley are comparable but Conley's quicks were elite.

I truly think that this years team is the most talented. With that being said, I think Deshaun Thomas is over-rated and I don't think he averages more than 28 mins/game.

Sam Thompson is a freak. Now that's talent right there.

it was a tough call. hunter is a a better player than Thomas, but not as talented. cook was incredibly talented, but not as effective as Buford.
 
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how good is this team supposed to be this year? I'll admit i don't follow offseason so I don't know who's coming in etc. I know some names but not sure if they're supposed to contribute.


Anyone else think with what's going on in football that this season may be the biggest support bball will ever get?
 
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Bucknut24;2009945; said:
how good is this team supposed to be this year? I'll admit i don't follow offseason so I don't know who's coming in etc. I know some names but not sure if they're supposed to contribute.


Anyone else think with what's going on in football that this season may be the biggest support bball will ever get?

They'll be ranked in the top 3 in the polls and should live up to that expectation. It's going to be a very good Ohio State basketball team.

Who knows about support? If they'd sell some good seats via Ticketmaster they'd probably get better support.
 
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Bucknut24;2009945; said:
how good is this team supposed to be this year? I'll admit i don't follow offseason so I don't know who's coming in etc. I know some names but not sure if they're supposed to contribute.


Anyone else think with what's going on in football that this season may be the biggest support bball will ever get?

They will be unbelievably good. 35-5 will be the worst possible record.

Most talented team ever at OSU.
 
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MaxBuck;2006225; said:
You seem to suggest that only when the football team sucks will we have better basketball attendance. That logic is lost on me.

I'm not really suggesting that as an absolute. I'm suggesting that there is a possibility many people would rather spend their money on Buckeye basketball tickets this year instead of scalping football tickets or buying tickets off of someone they know. If you KNOW you are going to see a winner, a casual fan is more apt to attend.

You begin gaining "all-in" fans this way. I was a fan of the Cincinnati Reds as a kid. When I began to have the means to do so, I started buying tickets and attending games. I'm now a die-hard Reds fan. I watch every game I can and try to go see as many games in person as possible.

Get people into the arena, and they begin to learn who the players are, they see the excitement in the Schott, and they begin following the team more closely. It's not a be-all, end-all, but it's a start.

All I'm saying...
 
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Bulls-Eye;2010848; said:
I'm not really suggesting that as an absolute. I'm suggesting that there is a possibility many people would rather spend their money on Buckeye basketball tickets this year instead of scalping football tickets or buying tickets off of someone they know. If you KNOW you are going to see a winner, a casual fan is more apt to attend.

You begin gaining "all-in" fans this way. I was a fan of the Cincinnati Reds as a kid. When I began to have the means to do so, I started buying tickets and attending games. I'm now a die-hard Reds fan. I watch every game I can and try to go see as many games in person as possible.
So when the Reds suck, that makes you more likely to go see the Bengals? :huh:

Again, the logic escapes me. Not saying you're wrong, just not seeing it.
 
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NINJA BUCK13;2006358; said:
That's what trending is.

www.thefreedictionary.com/trend
The general direction in which something tends to move. 2. A general tendency or inclination. See Synonyms at tendency.

I know what the fucking dictionary definition is. Five games in one 12-14 game season out of 10+ seasons (120+ games) is not yet a general direction or a tendency...not even close.
 
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MaxBuck;2010917; said:
So when the Reds suck, that makes you more likely to go see the Bengals? :huh:

Again, the logic escapes me. Not saying you're wrong, just not seeing it.

I've always thought of that as general knowledge but I've never seen numbers to go along with it. There is a somewhat fixed number of entertainment dollars to be spent by the public and if they're not spending it on one sport, there's more left over for some other type of entertainment (i.e. another sport). OSU football is always going to sell out, good or bad, but when they're good, there's a lot more money being spent on tailgating, tablegating (:sick1:), etc.

The extreme example would be when the Browns left town the Indians sold out a few years straight. Of course that wouldn't have happened if the Indians weren't good, but it also doesn't happen if the Browns were there and the Cavs didn't suck. Deleting a team is a bad comparison to OSU fball/bball but I think it happens to a much lesser degree when the team is bad.
 
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These examples involve two popular teams. The buckeye basketball team is not a very well attended team overall. They get numbers for big games, but it is half (or much more) empty for half of the season.


Perhaps if OSU becomes terrible at football, then fans will start investing in basketball instead, but that will take a long time. I don't see a short term downturn changing the apathy towards attending OSU hoops.
 
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jwinslow;2010948; said:
The buckeye basketball team is not a very well attended team overall. They get numbers for big games, but it is half (or much more) empty for half of the season.
That's an exaggeration, Josh. I wish hoop games were better attended, but even for the Baby Seal games, we typically get 12,000 or more fans. And during league contests, seldom are we less than 90% capacity.
 
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jwinslow;2010948; said:
These examples involve two popular teams. The buckeye basketball team is not a very well attended team overall. They get numbers for big games, but it is half (or much more) empty for half of the season.

I don't see the need to criticize the fan support. The reality is most of the nonconference games aren't worth coming to see unless you're a die-hard fan, because there are a lot of blowouts - it's like watching the same movie over and over - and everybody knows there will be many opportunities to watch more competitive home games later in the season. The fan support for the conference games last season was very good. The student section last year was the best it's been in a long time. There are few teams in college basketball that have 18,000 fans every nonconference home game. I don't think it's fair to conclude that the basketball team is not well-attended overall, at least not in comparison to the average BCS program - maybe when the team is bad the fan support is down, but when the team is good & they play good teams, the fan support is solid.
 
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MaxBuck;2010917; said:
So when the Reds suck, that makes you more likely to go see the Bengals? :huh:

Again, the logic escapes me. Not saying you're wrong, just not seeing it.

Actually, yes! :wink2: I'm just trying to point to the economics of the situation.

I'll be honest, my wife and I normally go to 2 or 3 OSU football games a year. At this point we've gone to one. Instead of spending the money on another football game, we've decided we would rather spend that money on a few basketball games. The Bball team is going to be very good, and we'd like to go support them.

I'm not trying to make a specific assertion, just a generalization that applies to me, and I'm sure many others. Like BigJim said, people have that discretionary income they plan to use on a sporting event. Many, like myself, may decide to use it on a basketball game this year rather than a football game.

Who wouldn't rather go watch a team you expect will dominate instead of having to duck and cover our heads for three hours (if Bauserman is in the game). :tongue2:
 
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