2010 TSUN News (in-season)

[buckeyesin07]

The kid put up a half mile on a team most of us thought would compete for the Big East title, another half mile on a team that took Purdue's spread apart and got the kind of stats you expect when a 1A team schedules an Alonzo Stagg Bowl candidate.

Who cares about what we thought of UConn before the season? They're a horrible team, with a bad defense. They lost to Temple. Enough said.

As for the "team that took Purdue's spread apart," they gave up 30+ to MSU.

EDIT: These points have already been made, and I got to the party late--the quoted post was already exposed.

 

[cincibuck]

1) UM fans won't even use this line any longer
2) foolish preseason assumptions are just that, not an accomplishment
3) competing for the big east title is not a feather in anyone's cap, it is so bad they could actually still have a shot.
what does this even mean? You are familiar with how reckless the transition property is, aren't you?
last year, Iowa barely beat northern Iowa and Arkansas state... while Wisconsin squeaked past a west coast squad in OT. The script was about the same, just flipped for both squads.
it is not unreasonable to suggest that Robinson will play well but not put up the same yardage from these weeks, which includes half a thousand.

a) I didn't pick UConn to beat Michigan, but many on this site did. Go back and review the pre-season comments.

b) Yeah, I'm not big on the Big East, but it's a step above the MAC and probably even with the ACC.

c) As for Transitive powers, Transition this: with the exception of the Buckeyes the Big Ten hasn't been looking like a conference ready to challenge the SEC or the Big 12 - 2 for overall strength. Iowa and Wisconsin went into their games as favorites. One lost and the other failed to cover the spread. As for last year, your logic seems to suggest that Iowa and Wisconsin got better/will get better when their schedule moves to conference play which implies that the conference games are easier.

Love the Buckeyes and the Big Ten all you want. I sure do. But you can't have it all one way, you can't diss the opposition and then claim that the Bucks, or MSU or Iowa have accomplished something when they beat someone you just said was over rated.

 

[NFBuck]

c) As for Transitive powers, Transition this: with the exception of the Buckeyes the Big Ten hasn't been looking like a conference ready to challenge the SEC or the Big 12 - 2 for overall strength. Iowa and Wisconsin went into their games as favorites. One lost and the other failed to cover the spread. As for last year, your logic seems to suggest that Iowa and Wisconsin got better/will get better when their schedule moves to conference play which implies that the conference games are easier.

Love the Buckeyes and the Big Ten all you want. I sure do. But you can't have it all one way, you can't diss the opposition and then claim that the Bucks, or MSU or Iowa have accomplished something when they beat someone you just said was over rated.

Every conference has had several of their "top teams" struggle early on this season, so it's not just the Big Ten...

ACC- Well, they're the ACC
Big East- Well, see above
Big Twelve- Both Texas and Oklahoma have looked shaky against teams they should roll, Nebraska is looking like the class of that conference this year.
Pac 10- Oregon looks like the class but have been beating up tomato cans, Stanford has looked strong, although against weaker competition. USC has struggled with some inferior teams, Arizona is hard to read.
SEC- Alabama, Arkansas and South Carolina have looked solid, but traditional powers Florida, Georgia and LSU have had issues. Tennessee is in the gutter. Auburn has been shaky.

So, you can say Iowa, Wiscy and PSU aren't living up to expectations, but it's hardly a problem limited to the Big Ten. The SEC is still a better conference, but it's hard to put the B12 ahead of the B10 right now given how Texas and OU are playing. If anybody, the Pac 10 has a better argument, but it's not by a significant amount.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

a) I didn't pick UConn to beat Michigan, but many on this site did. Go back and review the pre-season comments.

What does that matter? They've clearly demonstrated they're not good. Temple handled them as easily as scUM did.

b) Yeah, I'm not big on the Big East, but it's a step above the MAC and probably even with the ACC.

Temple, from the MAC, is clearly a step above UConn.

c) As for Transitive powers, Transition this: with the exception of the Buckeyes the Big Ten hasn't been looking like a conference ready to challenge the SEC or the Big 12 - 2 for overall strength. Iowa and Wisconsin went into their games as favorites. One lost and the other failed to cover the spread. As for last year, your logic seems to suggest that Iowa and Wisconsin got better/will get better when their schedule moves to conference play which implies that the conference games are easier.

Here's how I see it:

Tier 1(Elite top 10 type teams):

Ohio State>'Bama(slightly)

Tier 2(solid bowl teams):

Iowa(maybe elite by end of year)>Florida(maybe elite by end of year)
Auburn>Sparty
South Carolina=Wiscy
UGA=Northwestern
Arkansas(possibly elite)>Penn State
LSU

Tier 3(fringe bowl teams):

UK=scUM
Mississippi State=Illinois
UT=Purdue

Tier 4(bad non-bowl teams):

Vandy=Minny
Ole Miss=Indiana

Not a whole lot of disparity. SEC has one more solid bowl team than we do.

Love the Buckeyes and the Big Ten all you want. I sure do. But you can't have it all one way, you can't diss the opposition and then claim that the Bucks, or MSU or Iowa have accomplished something when they beat someone you just said was over rated.

My 2 cents.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

a) I didn't pick UConn to beat Michigan, but many on this site did. Go back and review the pre-season comments.

That doesn't matter. UConn isn't good.

c) As for Transitive powers, Transition this: with the exception of the Buckeyes the Big Ten hasn't been looking like a conference ready to challenge the SEC or the Big 12 - 2 for overall strength

who the fuck cares? let's go win 10 more games and take home the crystal trophy.

 

[NFBuck]

That doesn't matter. UConn isn't good.

Yeah, I'm a little bewildered as to why this keeps coming up...

 

[buckeyesin07]

a) I didn't pick UConn to beat Michigan, but many on this site did. Go back and review the pre-season comments.

So let me get this straight--because everyone around here picked UConn to beat UM, that means they must be a good team and we should all be impressed because DR torched them? We are to ignore their loss to Temple and the possibility that we were all wrong and UConn just sucks? OK.

b) Yeah, I'm not big on the Big East, but it's a step above the MAC and probably even with the ACC.

I don't give a [censored] about the ACC in general, so I'm not sure why you're bringing up the entire conference. The only team that's relevant to the conversation is Miami. And I'm wondering if you think that any Big East team could hang with Miami after that pounding that Miami gave to Pitt in Pittsburgh last night.

c) As for Transitive powers, Transition this: with the exception of the Buckeyes the Big Ten hasn't been looking like a conference ready to challenge the SEC or the Big 12 - 2 for overall strength. Iowa and Wisconsin went into their games as favorites. One lost and the other failed to cover the spread. As for last year, your logic seems to suggest that Iowa and Wisconsin got better/will get better when their schedule moves to conference play which implies that the conference games are easier.

Again, you're ignoring the original topic. Whether you think the Big Ten "hasn't been looking like a conference ready to challenge the SEC or the Big 12 -2 for overall strength" has nothing to do with whether Iowa, Wisconsin, Penn State, etc. will shut down Shoelace. And as for your appeal to last year, do we really need to revisit how UM crumbled as the season went on (again, reminding you this was the subject of your post that touched off this barrage of responses).

Love the Buckeyes and the Big Ten all you want. I sure do. But you can't have it all one way, you can't diss the opposition and then claim that the Bucks, or MSU or Iowa have accomplished something when they beat someone you just said was over rated.

Do you get ESPN? Because you missed a heck of a statement game last night at around 7:45.

 

[cincibuck]

Every conference has had several of their "top teams" struggle early on this season, so it's not just the Big Ten...

ACC- Well, they're the ACC
Big East- Well, see above
Big Twelve- Both Texas and Oklahoma have looked shaky against teams they should roll, Nebraska is looking like the class of that conference this year.
Pac 10- Oregon looks like the class but have been beating up tomato cans, Stanford has looked strong, although against weaker competition. USC has struggled with some inferior teams, Arizona is hard to read.
SEC- Alabama, Arkansas and South Carolina have looked solid, but traditional powers Florida, Georgia and LSU have had issues. Tennessee is in the gutter. Auburn has been shaky.

So, you can say Iowa, Wiscy and PSU aren't living up to expectations, but it's hardly a problem limited to the Big Ten. The SEC is still a better conference, but it's hard to put the B12 ahead of the B10 right now given how Texas and OU are playing. If anybody, the Pac 10 has a better argument, but it's not by a significant amount.

The point is that dissing Dennard Robinson for having big games against UConn, Notre Dame and UMass is counter productive. Likewise predicting his fall from grace because he's suddenly going to play against teams that "have defenses light years ahead," seems overstated. Respect what he has done and then when the buckeyes meet up with him they will have a worthy opponent.

This reminds me of all the dissing of Mike Hart on BP a few years back. Hart had great games against good teams and bad teams. He didn't back down from a challenge. All of that would have been more than appreciated on these pages had he been clad in scarlet and gray. His accomplishments were demeaned even when he posted a big game against the buckeyes as if a consistent thousand yard performer had been lucky on one day.

You measure champions by who they beat and if the team/athletes the buckeyes beat is/are consistently lucky, overrated, overhyped prior to the game, then what was accomplished in defeating them?

 

[Dryden]

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5609524

Tide, Wolverines set to meet in Texas

Alabama coach Nick Saban said on his radio show Thursday he expects his Crimson Tide to face Michigan at Cowboys Stadium in 2012.

"It hasn't been announced yet, but we're going to play Michigan in Dallas probably for sure," Saban said.

Cont'd ...

 

[southcampus]

Alabama will win that game probably for sure.

 

[Gatorubet]

Probably for sure > possibly for certain

 

[NFBuck]

The point is that dissing Dennard Robinson for having big games against UConn, Notre Dame and UMass is counter productive. Likewise predicting his fall from grace because he's suddenly going to play against teams that "have defenses light years ahead," seems overstated. Respect what he has done and then when the buckeyes meet up with him they will have a worthy opponent.

This reminds me of all the dissing of Mike Hart on BP a few years back. Hart had great games against good teams and bad teams. He didn't back down from a challenge. All of that would have been more than appreciated on these pages had he been clad in scarlet and gray. His accomplishments were demeaned even when he posted a big game against the buckeyes as if a consistent thousand yard performer had been lucky on one day.

You measure champions by who they beat and if the team/athletes the buckeyes beat is/are consistently lucky, overrated, overhyped prior to the game, then what was accomplished in defeating them?

A scUM player being dissed on a Buckeye board. Imagine that...

As for Robinson, I'm certainly not taking away anything from his accomplishments and have stated as such. He's been remarkable. What I've said is that, IMO, he will not continue to put up the otherworldly numbers he has against three weak teams. Nothing outrageous about that. I simply think it's the same story as last year when they ran through a weak OOC slate with their qb getting Heisman talk only to smack into a wall when they hit the B10 schedule. The parallels are remarkable to last year.

Now, Hart. I don't recall very many people questioning his ability. I think there was a lot of begrudging respect. Where he caught flack was for his petulant little child act where he was simply unable to give other teams credit when they lost. He was a punk. That was the issue, not his play on the field.

I get your opinion that we need scUM to be strong, I just don't subscribe to it. I hate the fuckers and want them to fail miserably. I take great joy in their missteps. I believe tOSU is a strong enough brand that we don't need scUM to be good. Keep scheduling strong ooc opponents, beat some other strong B10 teams and everything will take care of itself. Eventually, scUM will get back to where they once were, but until then, fuck m*ch*g*n.

 

[Dryden]

Alabama will win that game probably for sure.

Well, it is for 2012, so there's a good chance Saban will already be gone to his next job by then.

 

[exhawg]

Well, it is for 2012, so there's a good chance Saban will already be gone to his next job by then.

I'm sure he'll have an easy time setting up that matchup as the HC for the Cowboys.

 

[Jaxbuck]

but until the end of time, fuck m*ch*g*n.

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