You seem optimistic Michigan will have 11 players on the roster who can even play defense by then.sharkonwheels;1796359; said:
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negative, seeing as no press release was sent out and Tate did not text the Associated Press about that.sharkonwheels;1796359; said:
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buxfan4life;1796112; said:
Hmmm... by my count he may be right. My 85 + the 15 that UM would love to have on their team...
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=162&f=1088&t=6548306
More "cupboard was/is bare" bullshit.
Lets just thhrow a hypothetical out there:
Go back to January 2001. Let's say, for the sake of argument, Mike Bellotti accepts the head coaching postion at Ohio State (I use him over JT because he was the head coach at a D1 program who had a pretty good run the previous couple of years, like dickrod). Lets also say that Cooper's recruiting had fallen off a bit in his last couple years...at least to the level scUM folks would have you believe Carr's did. Then, lets say he insists on changing the entire offensive system, despite clearly lacking the personnel to successfully pull it off. He runs off a number of kids including one prominent one to scUM. tOSU embarrasses themselves and stumbles to 3-9 including a whitewashing to scUM. He undermines his new DC and unceremoniously dismisses him after the season.
He follows that up by continuing ro recruit offensive players for his offensive system. He recruits a number of marginal acedemic prospects on defense to plug glaring holes...many of whom won't make it past admissions. Then before the 2002 season, reports come out of possible rules violations. He gets off to a fast start, then pees down his leg and goes 1-7 vs. the B10 including, say losses to scUM and PSU. The defense is like a sieve and the offense has made marginal improvements.
On to year three. The defense is now the worst in school history. The offense is now pretty exciting, but prone to crippling mistakes. He runs over a lineup of tomato cans, then narrowly escapes IU in the B10 opener. The next two games, the Bucks are exposed further defensively and the offense, while racking up good yardage totals, shoots itself in the foot regularly. He stands at 5-2, but things look a little gloomy as he's already been dominated by second biggest rival PSU for the 3rd straight year and things don't look promising for the scUM game either. His qb is an electric 180 pound running back masquerading as a qb who has been consistently dinged up. We're praying for simple bowl eligibility and to remain competitive against our better opponents. All the while, the results of an ncaa invesigation are looming.
Do you think Bellotti would have gotten the blind benefit of the doubt many of them want to afford dickrod?
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Sometimes I just want to rip people's heads off
The circular argument squad is getting old. Someone please point to me a single team in all of BCS-level college football who has had the same severe experience/depth shortages for three years running. I would really like to know. Find me someone from the ACC, Big10, SEC, Big12, or Pac-10 who fit ANY of the following criteria.
1. Started a first-year starter at QB three years in a row.
2. Started either a freshman or sophomore at QB three years in a row.
3. Had a different RB starter on opening day three years in a row.
4. Lacked a standout senior WR three years in a row. (Don't tell me Greg Mathews - he was barely there mentally, let alone a standout).
5. Lacked a standout senior LT/RT three years in a row.
6. Lacked a standout senior CB three years in a row.
7. Lacked a standout safety (of any class) three years in a row.
8. Lacked a standout senior (or junior!) LB three years in a row who wasn't playing out of position.
I have never in my life seen such a lack of senior (or junior) production over a three year period at Michigan. I have never seen such a thing at ANY school.
RR needs to be judged on his own merits (or lack thereof) but there's a baseline from which he should be judged and it starts with the tools at his disposal. He made a huge error in hiring/handling Shafer. He made some big mistakes in terms of ingratiating himself with the old guard (who share responsibility for how that went down and continues to go down).
But when it comes to coaching, I pretty much automatically tune out the people who might otherwise have some good points to make when they can't acknowledge some pretty basic facts about our roster.
More "cupboard was/is bare" bullshit.
Lets just thhrow a hypothetical out there:
Go back to January 2001. Let's say, for the sake of argument, Mike Bellotti accepts the head coaching postion at Ohio State (I use him over JT because he was the head coach at a D1 program who had a pretty good run the previous couple of years, like dickrod). Lets also say that Cooper's recruiting had fallen off a bit in his last couple years...at least to the level scUM folks would have you believe Carr's did. Then, lets say he insists on changing the entire offensive system, despite clearly lacking the personnel to successfully pull it off. He runs off a number of kids including one prominent one to scUM. tOSU embarrasses themselves and stumbles to 3-9 including a whitewashing to scUM. He undermines his new DC and unceremoniously dismisses him after the season.
He follows that up by continuing ro recruit offensive players for his offensive system. He recruits a number of marginal acedemic prospects on defense to plug glaring holes...many of whom won't make it past admissions. Then before the 2002 season, reports come out of possible rules violations. He gets off to a fast start, then pees down his leg and goes 1-7 vs. the B10 including, say losses to scUM and PSU. The defense is like a sieve and the offense has made marginal improvements.
On to year three. The defense is now the worst in school history. The offense is now pretty exciting, but prone to crippling mistakes. He runs over a lineup of tomato cans, then narrowly escapes IU in the B10 opener. The next two games, the Bucks are exposed further defensively and the offense, while racking up good yardage totals, shoots itself in the foot regularly. He stands at 5-2, but things look a little gloomy as he's already been dominated by second biggest rival PSU for the 3rd straight year and things don't look promising for the scUM game either. His qb is an electric 180 pound running back masquerading as a qb who has been consistently dinged up. We're praying for simple bowl eligibility and to remain competitive against our better opponents. All the while, the results of an ncaa invesigation are looming.
Do you think Bellotti would have gotten the blind benefit of the doubt many of them want to afford dickrod?
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sharkonwheels
Auburn STILL fugging sucks! WAR CHICKEN!
Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1796361; said:You seem optimistic Michigan will have 11 players on the roster who can even play defense by then.
From the looks of things, wouldn't matter if they bring 14 on D. They could put 11 in the box, and STILL not stop the run...
I hope TP whoops 'um into submission.
Is there a mercy rule?
Oh, never mind... Spurrier and Meyer...
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Honestly, I wouldn't see the OSU camp (School, boosters, alumni, etc..) allowing a 4th year of that sh!t in that scenario...
First off, dickrod's option-style offense ain't gonna work in the B10, at least not against the top teams.
That shit may fly in the Big Least, where he came from, and maybe the ACC, lik GATech, but I dunno about that crap in B10.
That's been the land of the power-run forever, so the defenses are built to withstand running attacks.
Maybe if he hadn't hedged the plantation to get 1-2 offensive weapons, but he's got NOTHING on D.
I don't see meatchikin putting up more than MAYBE 14 against OSU.
Only chance they have, is if the team takes a wrong turn walking to Ohio Stadium...rr Shoelace puts roofies in the OSU players drinks...
With all the trash-talking, man, I've got a feeling shoelace is gonna get ab-sol-ute-ly HAMMERED in that game!
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Rich Rod should adopt the 6-7 defensive strategy that Tennessee tried to whip out agains LSU
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Tressel didn't have the benefit of the doubt without that um win. Had he been 3-9 instead of 7-5, he would've been history. .8-4 seasons were why the program was overhauled, yet a win less than that is enough?NFBuck;1796402; said:
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I'm curious what the temperature up there will be if they finish 8-4, but with a loss (even a close one) to tOSU. That would make him 0-6 vs. his two main rivals...can't imagine that sitting well.jwinslow;1796426; said:
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NFBuck;1796402; said:
Given the scenario you listed, Belotti or Tressel or hell even Woody would have been gone after year 2 and all 3 of them would have expected to be gone as well.
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WolverineMike;1796278; said:
except your offensive line is such that it can't get movement off the ball like Wisconsin's can....
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If a coach turned in RR's body of work for his first 3 years in Columbus, losing his job wouldn't be his primary concern. Getting out of town ahead of the lynch mob would be more important.
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so um....wouldn't this be RRs fault?
I mean ok ill give him a pass on the Threet/Sheridan first year
but flip flopping between Tater Tots and Hairlice (both "saviors" according to the scUM message board faithful) lies on the current coach.....not a coach who has been gone for 3 seasons
as far as the cupboard being bare, if anything, rich rod has made the cupboard even more bare than it supposedly was when he got there......
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