NightmaresDad;1645549; said:
...or the front eleven for that matter.
It's not more or less accurate than your post. I just like the sound of it.
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...or the front eleven for that matter.
It's not more or less accurate than your post. I just like the sound of it.
I think T. Howard can make our defensive backfield very interesting! And if we get Brown back there too getting reps would be great! We're actually pretty deep at both DB positions, but the kids just need to get their reps. Don't know why Nate Oliver hasn't been shown much love
But does anyone know if CJ Barnett is going to be playing S or CB?
But does anyone know if CJ Barnett is going to be playing S or CB?
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What is the definition of "deep"?
If you define "deep" so cheaply that it includes Ohio State's status at Safety this year; then a similar definition of "TSUN fan" would include Jax and Mili.
Will OSU be good at safety? Sure. I believe that Hines and Johnson have a fair shot of both being in the All Big 10 2-deep. But the Buckeyes 2-deep doesn't have any other players with meaningful minutes at safety. That's not deep by any meaningful definition.
So unless you meant Boundary and Field Corner when you said "Both DB Positions", I'll have to respectfully disagree. Then again, I don't think we're particularly deep at corner either. Better depth than safety, and very good starters, but not very deep.
If you define "deep" so cheaply that it includes Ohio State's status at Safety this year; then a similar definition of "TSUN fan" would include Jax and Mili.
Will OSU be good at safety? Sure. I believe that Hines and Johnson have a fair shot of both being in the All Big 10 2-deep. But the Buckeyes 2-deep doesn't have any other players with meaningful minutes at safety. That's not deep by any meaningful definition.
So unless you meant Boundary and Field Corner when you said "Both DB Positions", I'll have to respectfully disagree. Then again, I don't think we're particularly deep at corner either. Better depth than safety, and very good starters, but not very deep.
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But if you're saying that deep is only a viable arguement if the players have proven playing time, then that goes against what "deep" has meant over time. Several years ago, USC had the "deepest" RB core in the nation, and more than half of them were underclassmen(I believe it was McKnight's Frosh year and they also brought in B. Green and M. Tyler). And they weren't just considered deep on message boards, but by just about every analyst throughout the nation. Also when Miami was still the U, in the late 90's to when they lost to us in the 02 NC. They had a RB depth chart with McGahee, Gore, Portis, J Jackson and a couple other names that I can't remember, but a bulk of those guys were unproven at the college level yet they were also considered to be the deepest. IMO, I think we have a lot of talent at the skill positions for one of the first times that Tress has been here. So if my definition is cheap, you should let the rest of the nation know as well, because that seems to be everyone else's definition as well. Just because a player doesn't have meaningful minutes, yet, doesnt mean we can't be deep. We can agree to disagree on the subject. The only way we're gonna know anything about the rest of the team is when they start spring practices and the spring game. Until then we're all just speculating, there were some names in our DB group I'd like to see step up and get a chance on the field to make plays.
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pnuts34;1650643; said:
If experience is not part of your definition of depth, then your definition of depth is not meaningful. Your suggestion that this goes against what "deep" has meant over time is utterly false.
Was USC's backfield called "deep" by the same media that said Ohio State had no chance against Oregon? Yes. Was it really deep. NO, not until they developed the depth by giving several of the backs some carries.
By the same token, Ohio State has the opportunity to develop depth at several positions this year. But are they deep at DB right now? Not by any meaningful definition of the word.
Deep in terms of stars-worth of recruiting hype is empty depth. It means nothing until it's developed.
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Well empty depth is the definition that is constantly used by experts and message boards alike. When USC was deep for several years with Palmer, Leinart, Booty, Sanchez, Corp, Cassel, that was considered deep but only one kid got a majority of the PT. They were deep based off of potential and what their stars were. When USC was 10 deep at RB several years ago, like I said most of the kids were underclassmen, and hadn't proven anything on the collegiate level yet. Even OSU this year, we're considered deep at LB and RB, yet most of those players haven't seen significant PT. Out of our LBs, only Rollege and Homan have seen much PT, yet all over this message board people have been salivating over our "depth", depth that you would call empty. Same with our RB situation, only Boom, Zoom and Hall have seen that much PT last year. Martin played VERY sparingly, Hyde was in FUMA, Berry redshirted and Smith probably will RS. But we're considered deep, and that's been said multiple times by others. I get what you're definition of deep is, but its not agreed upon by many others. And potential/upside definitely does factor into depth.
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Those six QBs weren't all on the roster at the same time. As for basing depth mainly on potential and star-ratings (along with the number of players, of course), that's exactly DDB's point, which is that experience should be considered when talking about depth and that just because you have 'X' amount of players at a position you aren't neccessarily 'X' deep.pnuts34;1651193; said:
USC wasn't 10-deep at RB (but they did have something like five 5-star RBs on the roster and seven overall one season).pnuts34;1651193; said:
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Except only 3 of those really played together.pnuts34;1651193; said:
Palmer, Leinart, Cassell played together.
Leinart, Cassell, Booty played together. Sanchez redshirted.
Sanchez, Booty, Corp played together.
Everyone raved about USC's depth at QB with Corp, Mustain & Barkley, but they ended up with shaky QB play.
Stafon, Gable, Washington, Bradford & Moody were all contributing. Some folks tossed in the recruits to extend that depth, but the bulk of it was the million backs that played during crunch time.
Though I wouldn't trade their 'depth' for our workhorse, especially if Clarett had been here 3 years as intended.
02 - Clarett, Ross, Hall
03 - Clarett, meh (Ross too big, Hall too hurt)
04 - Clarett, Pittman
05 - Pittman, meh (Mo)
06 - Pittman, Wells
07 - Wells, meh (Mo)
08 - Wells, Boom
09 - Boom, Saine, Hall
The one year we had some depth, 09, was probably our worst year at the position other than when Clarett flamed out prematurely.
We're not considered that deep at RB. We're just deeper than the 1 RB and maybe a backup that we've had for most of JT's tenure.
Rollege?
:pYou have a better point at LB, but I think that comes down to the track record with that positions and what those guys have shown in limited time (Sweat, Sabino, Klein, plus Moeller coming back).
Spitler also factored into OSU's depth at LB.
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My only point is that depth is obviously has different definitions for people. And potential and stars counts into that. The LBs that were named haven't done much of anything last year. And yet we are considered deep based off of potential!
Didn't mean to get everyone off track of the thread, lol! But I just can't wait to see our DBs next year and see who'll step up from our young players. I hate this down time until spring ball, all we can do is speculate about the next season based off of last season. Oh well, I just hope we make steady improvements at the DB postions.
Didn't mean to get everyone off track of the thread, lol! But I just can't wait to see our DBs next year and see who'll step up from our young players. I hate this down time until spring ball, all we can do is speculate about the next season based off of last season. Oh well, I just hope we make steady improvements at the DB postions.
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I think it is very difficult for fans to truly know exactly how "deep" a college team is at any position. We basically have no idea actually how good the young players are when they are biding their time behind an older and talented starter. Only the coaches or people who go to practice on a regular basis can reasonably how many players at each position are ready to play.
This past year, as fans, we knew tOSU had good depth on the D-Line because we were able to 7-8 different guys playing every game, were able to evaluate their performance, and determine that each of them were indeed solid football players. The same can be said about running back, where we were splitting carries with Boom and Zoom, and then injuries allowed Hall to see a decent amount of action. Likewise, we could tell that our O-Line depth wasn't very good, as we consistently struggled to find an effective left tackle.
We have reason to be optimistic at LB due to some limited on-field action Sweat saw due to Spitler's injury and reports from practice that Sabino "got it," in addition to positive reports about Klein, plus our known commodities in Rolle and Homan. But at DB, we really have nothing to base any knowledge of "depth" on. Certainly there is a lot of "talent" at DB, but I think we all know that is only half of the equation. Our O-Line certainly had a lot of "talent" (Adams, Smith) not doing much of anything to add to our depth at that position.
This past year, as fans, we knew tOSU had good depth on the D-Line because we were able to 7-8 different guys playing every game, were able to evaluate their performance, and determine that each of them were indeed solid football players. The same can be said about running back, where we were splitting carries with Boom and Zoom, and then injuries allowed Hall to see a decent amount of action. Likewise, we could tell that our O-Line depth wasn't very good, as we consistently struggled to find an effective left tackle.
We have reason to be optimistic at LB due to some limited on-field action Sweat saw due to Spitler's injury and reports from practice that Sabino "got it," in addition to positive reports about Klein, plus our known commodities in Rolle and Homan. But at DB, we really have nothing to base any knowledge of "depth" on. Certainly there is a lot of "talent" at DB, but I think we all know that is only half of the equation. Our O-Line certainly had a lot of "talent" (Adams, Smith) not doing much of anything to add to our depth at that position.
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