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Game Thread 2010 Rose Bowl: Ohio State 26 Oregon 17 (Final, 1/01/2010)

Comcast SportsNet just showed a 1 1/2 hour program that was essentially a "scouting report" of the Buckeyes. I missed the first 30 minutes. They showed the Iowa game, and had Anthony Newman and Dwight Jay evaluating the game. It's not much of anything that we haven't heard/read before; however, I thought a couple things were rather interesting:

  • Newman said that he doesn't think our LBs go very well from sideline to sideline. "Slow of foot" was his statement.
  • Both were very impressed with our front four on defense.
  • Offensively, they spoke a lot about the power O that the Buckeyes run, and how that could pose a problem for the Ducks.
  • Newman is impressed with TPs skills even though he's not used as well as he thinks he could be.
  • Thought that Herron and Saine were very good backs.
  • Feel that Posey is the only receiving threat we have.
All-in-all, a LOT of the same cliches as are typical. Not too bad of a show. I wish I could have seen the first of the show to understand why they were showing Iowa for a "scouting report".
 
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Football: Big dreams for Kelly, UO | The Ducks Beat - OregonLive.com

ANAHEIM, Calif. -- Rose Bowl coaches Chip Kelly of Oregon and Jim Tressel of Ohio State were each presented crystal castles Saturday at Disneyland, each "a majestic symbol of a place where dreams come true," said a Rose Bowl official.

Ask any Big Ten or Pacific-10 Conference player, and he will agree it's a dreamy place -- the Rose Bowl, that is.

For the Ducks, though, a dream this big never has come true.

"They get a chance to leave an impression that's never happened," Kelly said. "There's only one team, the 2001 team, that won 11 games. We've got a chance to win 11 games. There's only one team that's won a Rose Bowl and that was in 1917."

That's what Kelly was telling his players when they reconvened on Christmas Day: This could be the only team in school history to win 11 games including the Rose Bowl.

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Rose Bowl: 'Don't fall for that,' Kelly says of Tressel's claim about Terrelle Pryor's experience | The Ducks Beat - OregonLive.com

convince some reporters that his team was at a disadvantage. Tressel's quarterback, Terrelle Pryor, wasn't as experienced as Oregon's Jeremiah Masoli, he said.

"His quarterback started for two years, and my quarterback started for two years," Oregon coach Chip Kelly said. "Don't fall for that."

Masoli is a junior and Pryor a sophomore, thanks to Masoli's year at the City College of San Francisco, but they are pretty equal in experience.

Masoli has played 23 games and Pryor 25 (although he threw just two passes in one of those games). Over those two years, Masoli is 304 of 524 for 3,810 yards; Pryor is 244 of 423 for 3,139 yards.

Rose Bowl: Oregon's familiarity with the venue could be a factor | The Ducks Beat - OregonLive.com

LOS ANGELES - Make no mistake: There will be a wow factor walking into the Rose Bowl on Friday.

"We'll definitely be in awe of the tradition of the game," Ohio State tackle Jim Cordle said.

OSU linebacker Austin Spitler said he expects the experience to be "breathtaking."

Perhaps Oregon will be a little less awed. After all, they have been here before, even if it was just to play UCLA -- and even if quarterback Jeremiah Masoli sat out.

"I definitely would have wanted to get my feet wet and win by 30, but what happened happened," said Masoli, who sat out Oregon's 24-10 win on Oct. 10 with a knee injury.

On that day, LaMichael James ran for 152 yards, but the rest of the Ducks offense managed just 69 yards. In fairness to backup quarterback Nate Costa, the UCLA defense was excellent, but still, the Oregon offense doesn't have fond memories of the place.

"We didn't exactly (play well) the first time down here," Jordan Holmes said. "Hopefully the second time's the charm."

Does playing on the same field -- even against a different team and even playing poorly (offensively) -- give the Ducks an edge? They would like to think so, especially since the Buckeyes rank in the NCAA's top 10 in five defensive categories and have allowed just 11 touchdowns in the past 43 quarters.

Coach Chip Kelly doesn't think so.

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Rose Bowl: Breaking down what common opponents suggest about Oregon-Ohio State | The Ducks Beat - OregonLive.com

LOS ANGELES - Ohio State and Oregon have played two common opponents.

The games are spread far enough apart that they're probably not the best indicators of who will win the Rose Bowl. But several key factors for Friday's game can be gleaned from them.

Oregon beat visiting Purdue 38-36 on Sept. 12, and Purdue beat visiting Ohio State 26-18 in a Big Ten Conference game on Oct. 17. USC won at Ohio State 18-15 on Sept. 12, and Oregon beat visiting USC 47-20 in a Pacific-10 Conference game on Oct. 31.

If the Purdue games have one lesson for both teams, it's this: avoid and force turnovers.

Ohio State played its worst game of the year against the Boilermakers, and the biggest factor was the Buckeyes' five turnovers. It was a particularly bad day for quarterback Terrelle Pryor, who threw two interceptions and lost two fumbles.

The defeat, which ended Ohio State's 16-game Big Ten road winning streak, was a major lesson in taking care of the ball. Buckeyes coach Jim Tressel said the team didn't overreact by tearing up the playbook.

"I think some of the plays we've had turnovers on we've run since and didn't turn it over," he said. "We didn't take anything out and say, 'We can't do that concept or whatever.' We just, I think, did a better job of taking care of the football."

Oregon, on the other hand, scored twice against Purdue on turnovers -- an 18-yard interception return by Walter Thurmond and a 28-yard fumble return by Javes Lewis.

The plays were vital for Oregon as the Boilermakers outgained the Ducks in total yards 451-356. Purdue is the only team this season to gain more yards than the Ducks and not beat them.

"We turned the ball over twice, and that was the difference in making the ballgame," Purdue coach Danny Hope said.

Despite losing, Purdue did offer a blueprint for offenses facing Oregon: establish the run to open up the pass. The Boilermakers, behind 123 yards on 29 carries by Ralph Bolden, rushed for 170 yards against Oregon. Only Stanford, which ran for 254 yards in a 51-42 win, ran for more yards against Oregon.

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Rose Bowl: The Terrelle Pryor circus and some Nick Aliotti scouting reports | The Ducks Beat - OregonLive.com

Members of the Oregon defense and the Ohio State offense took to the podiums Monday morning at the L.A. Marriott Downtown - and yes, Terrelle Pryor showed up.

Pryor, the quarterback who is a bit shackled in OSU's offense and muzzled with the media, battled scores of cameras and tape recorders as offensive coordinator Jim Bollman and teammates Brandon Saine, Dan Herron and Dane Sanzenbacher had more intimate conversations.

This was the second session, after Oregon defensive coordinator Nick Aliotti held court - all that was missing was a red check table cloth and a few cigars - and UO defenders Brandon Bair, Spencer Paysinger, Casey Matthews and Talmadge Jackson answered questions.

Before we get to all the details of the OSU offense vs. the UO defense, let's do a quick word association with Aliotti on his defensive unit:

Will Tukuafu: "Leader, competitor, motor never stops"
Blake Ferras: "Tough, hard-nosed, gonna hit you in the mouth"
Brandon Bair: "Intelligent, gets everything he can out of that tall, thin body ... always happy"
Kenny Rowe: "Quick, fast, good in space, can sack ya"
Casey Matthews: "Smart, the glue that kind of holds us together, tough against the run"
Eddie Pleasant: "Extremely fast, explosive"
Spencer Paysinger: "Very good football player, has it all - intelligence, good in space, fantastic young man"
T.J. Ward: "Hitter, tough, doesn?t like people ... in a good way"
Talmadge Jackson: "Extremely prideful, quick, good cover guy, understands his speed"
Javes Lewis: "Smart, tough kid, prideful, loves the game"
Cliff Harris: "Young, extremely talented, young, extremely talented"
John Boyett: "He is a football junkie rat. That guy loves to play the game. He?s a football gym rat."

Will Boyett coach one day?
"Probably."

Who else on this unit will be a coach?
"If they?re smart, none of them."

Video of Bellotti:

Rose Bowl: Mike Bellotti on the game | The Ducks Beat - OregonLive.com

It's only 1:05. He speaks well of both teams. Interestingly enough, he thinks it will be a low scoring affair.

Video of Ducks Players talking about TP:

Ducks talk: On the Ohio State QB | The Ducks Beat - OregonLive.com

1:45 long. Not much.

Rose Bowl: Terrelle Pryor says Chip Kelly is a great recruiter, but he could not resist Ohio State | The Ducks Beat - OregonLive.com

LOS ANGELES -- There was no disputing the main attraction of Monday's Rose Bowl news conference at the Marriott Los Angeles Downtown: Terrelle Pryor.

Ohio State's gifted sophomore quarterback had not spoken to reporters in more than a month, since the Buckeyes' regular season ended with a 21-10 win at Michigan. That made him the most wanted man here Monday, when representatives of Ohio State's offense met the media at the Marriott ballroom.

Pryor, surrounded by a throng of TV, radio, Web and print reporters, wore Ohio State warm-ups, Air Jordan sneakers and Buddy Holly-style glasses as he talked about variety of topics. He started with one that intrigues media who cover the Buckeyes' opponent Friday: Oregon.

Two years ago, when the 6-foot-6, 235-pound Pryor was the most sought-after recruit in the country, the Ducks were in contention to sign him. Oregon coach Chip Kelly, then the offensive coordinator, was the Ducks' point man in the effort.

"Chip Kelly, he can recruit like crazy," Pryor said.

Pryor said Oregon's relationship with Nike and what he perceived to be "about 20 million uniforms" for the Ducks were attractive, but the distance between Eugene and his hometown of Jeannette, Pa., was a big minus. Ultimately, though, he didn't so much rule out Oregon, Penn State or any other school that recruited as he embraced Ohio State and coach Jim Tressel.

"Once you got see the Buckeyes and you talk to coach Tressel and coach Tressel wants you, he's going to get you there," Pryor said.

There are plenty of fans who thought Pryor, who has run the 40-yard dash in 4.33 seconds, would have been an ideal fit for Kelly's spread offense. Some believe Ohio State's much more conservative, run-first offense hinders Pryor's ability to excel, but he says the play-calling is fine with him.

"I'm not Jim Tressel, I can't pick the plays," he said. "Whatever they give me, I try to do to perfection."

Pryor on Monday surprised many by revealing an injury that had not been spoken of previously: a slight tear in the posterior cruciate ligament in one of his knees. He would not reveal which knee was injured or how he was hurt. Pryor also had been hobbled by an ankle injury early in November, but says he'll be ready to play Friday.

"I'm hurting everywhere," he said. "It doesn't really matter. I don't have time to worry about injuries. Neither does anybody else on our team."

It remains to be seen if Pryor has close to his full mobility -- the one factor Oregon defensive coordinator Nick Aliotti most worries about.

"He's dangerous in and of himself, but when something breaks down, he has the ability to scramble and find somebody down the field or make a long run," Aliotti said. "Just a killer for defenses when it's third and long and the quarterback can run for a first down."

Pryor says he has used the extended bowl practice period to sharpen his footwork and accuracy. He admits he's a perfectionist who demands more of himself than fans, media or coaches do.

"I think every quarterback's a perfectionist," he said. "You have to be. As a leader, you have to be hard on yourself. I'm my worst critic. I want to make myself better."

Pryor says he wants to make himself into a traditional pocket passer. He said that was a big reason he chose Ohio State, because he felt playing in Tressel's system would best prepare him for a career as an NFL quarterback.

Pryor played running back growing up and switched to quarterback in the eighth grade. He said other college quarterbacks, such as Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen and USC's Matt Barkley, got a leg up on him by playing quarterback from the start.

"That's the guys that just throw the lights out," Pryor said. "I'll be in that situation some day. I'm working at it, trying to be in that situation where I can throw the ball and be as accurate as those guys."

Pryor's improvement as a passer can be seen how he has cut down interceptions. He threw eight in Ohio State first seven games, including a nightmare effort against Purdue in which he threw two interceptions and lost two fumbles.

"I was forcing throws I shouldn't have forced," he said. "You have to be very smart, you have to take care of the ball."

The loss to Purdue was the first time Pryor heard grumbling from Ohio State fans about his performance. But in the five games since, Pryor has thrown just two interceptions, and the Buckeyes won all five to earn the Rose Bowl berth.

And now he has a chance to cap the season by leading the Buckeyes to victory in the Rose Bowl. He said he especially wants to win for Ohio State's seniors, who with a victory would become the winningest class in school history, but with a loss will be winless in bowl games.

"That's why we say it's a must win," Pryor said. "This is huge, man."
 
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I loved how GoDucks said that the disrespect would warrant a victory for them.... [SARCASM]Yeah everyone I know cracks on the PAC 10.... no one ever says how bad the Big 10 has shown themselves.[/SARCASM]

The teams OSU has played have been powerhouse programs, not intermediate programs... Oklahoma is still doing worse than OSU but getting more respect.

The Disneyland intros told me everything I needed to know about who is getting "respect" out there. You didn't hear a peep when the Bucks were introduced but a large uproar when Oregon was introduced. Then I could just hear the arrogance in Chip Kelly and could see it in the players. They better not eat too much prime rib.

GoDucks forgot to mention the special teams war. One that has cost Tex A&M a bowl victory(very good offensive team against a poor defense... poor defensively... terrible on special teams)


muffler dragon;1627150; said:
Both were very impressed with our front four on defense.(Really is front 8-9)

Offensively, they spoke a lot about the power O that the Buckeyes run, and how that could pose a problem for the Ducks.(YES)

Feel that Posey is the only receiving threat we have.(This is short sited and I hope Oregon feels this way as well)


I noticed in the sites and sounds vid that Posey was doing some QB drills.

The players seemed really focused, I hope that the hard practices translate to the field.

We haven't had the opportunity to use the tendency breakers as mentioned before. They could show up out west.

All in all, the rational fans here understand that the teams that win in the end play sound in all 3 aspects but normally place a stellar defense out on the field. I believe that trend will continue.
 
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I just hope that Dave Biddle doesn't know crap:

"Ohio State will probably operate out of the I-formation quite a bit in the Rose Bowl and only two wide receivers will be needed most of the time."

If Zach Boren is used as a big sign pointing the way to Boom Herron and Brandon Saine for large portions of this game, I expect the OSU's offense to have yet another disappointing performance and for the defense to eventually wear down. I truly hope that the OSU offensive braintrust can do better than Biddle thinks they will.
 
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Another person's opinion on lining up and pounding the ball:

OSU Offense v. Oregon Defense

What can we takeaway from Oregon's season and apply to OSU's gameplan versus the Ducks? I think these are the keys for Ohio State's offense.

1. Ohio State is fortunate in that their primary rush plays--Power (Dave,) Iso, Zone read--are precisely the plays that teams have had the most rushing success against Oregon with. Ohio State must establish the run game between the tailbacks and Pryor a la Stanford to open other things up. To do so, they need to mix and match between the pro and spread sets to keep Oregon off balance and not let them freely flip between their 7 and 8 man fronts. The Dave and Zone read plays, in particular, will provide big play opportunities versus Oregon that OSU must take advantage of. I know the 'Dave' play has been much maligned in some OSU-fan circles, but it needs to be the base of everything OSU does here. OSU needs to ensure that they find ways to run those plays into favorable fronts and not where Oregon has overloaded. So long as they do that they should be fine. Inside running is Ohio State' bread and butter and is something their opponent is vulnerable to. Henceforth, it goes without saying OSU needs to establish this, meaning that the offensive line must continue their late season performance in the run game.
 
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CalvinistBuck;1627103; said:
Gambling 201. Vegas lines are about research. Opening point spreads are based on formulas and the perception of the oddsmakers. Since "public perception" is a small part of the formula (i.e., polls), then I suppose public perception counts for something. While it's true that the line is adjusted based on betting patterns, the initial line had little to do with public perception.

My point, while I may have stated it carelessly, was that the general perception of this game outside the Buckeye Nation is that tOSU won't be able to contain the Ducks attack on offense and that the Buckeye offense isn't eqipped to keep up.

Gambling 301. Actually the 'opening line' really isn't the opening line. The true opening line is given out to a few select bettors before it is published. THEIR betting patterns help determine the opening line released to the public. So their 'true' opening line could have been Ohio State -1 but if the elite gamblers all bet on Oregon then the line opens like it did as Oregon the favorite. :wink2:
 
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Jagdaddy;1627343; said:
I just hope that Dave Biddle doesn't know crap:

"Ohio State will probably operate out of the I-formation quite a bit in the Rose Bowl and only two wide receivers will be needed most of the time."

If Zach Boren is used as a big sign pointing the way to Boom Herron and Brandon Saine for large portions of this game, I expect the OSU's offense to have yet another disappointing performance and for the defense to eventually wear down. I truly hope that the OSU offensive braintrust can do better than Biddle thinks they will.


is that second paragraph a quote by you or from dave biddle?

i can't see any other scenario than this one. we easily beat penn state and pulled it off against iowa doing basically this. additionaly, stanford beat oregon by running the ball and allowing only, what, 16 offensive plays in the first half. i dont see any problem with playing the power run game. im pretty sure alabama did just fine against florida. yes, alabama is better than we are this year but likewise with florida and oregon.

we're not going to try and "keep up" with oregon because we know we can't if the game turns into a shootout. the only way we win this game is if we keep them off the field, control field positions and win on special teams. i know everyone wants to analyze the hell out of this game but im in the belief that the obvious battles are going to be the ones that matter: our defense vs. their offense.
 
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Piney;1627350; said:
Gambling 301. Actually the 'opening line' really isn't the opening line. The true opening line is given out to a few select bettors before it is published. THEIR betting patterns help determine the opening line released to the public. So their 'true' opening line could have been Ohio State -1 but if the elite gamblers all bet on Oregon then the line opens like it did as Oregon the favorite. :wink2:

Gambling 401. Always bet on black.
 
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schneider.360;1627351; said:
is that second paragraph a quote by you or from dave biddle?

i can't see any other scenario than this one. we easily beat penn state and pulled it off against iowa doing basically this. additionaly, stanford beat oregon by running the ball and allowing only, what, 16 offensive plays in the first half. i dont see any problem with playing the power run game. im pretty sure alabama did just fine against florida. yes, alabama is better than we are this year but likewise with florida and oregon.

we're not going to try and "keep up" with oregon because we know we can't if the game turns into a shootout. the only way we win this game is if we keep them off the field, control field positions and win on special teams. i know everyone wants to analyze the hell out of this game but im in the belief that the obvious battles are going to be the ones that matter: our defense vs. their offense.

The quote's from Biddle. I've seen Big Ten and Big 12 teams repeatedly think they can just run over "soft" PAC-10 defenses and fail to do so due to predictability. "Dave" on 80% of the first down plays isn't going to get it done IMO, but if OSU uses the zone read and QB and/or RB sweeps and some misdirection to set up "Dave" and there's enough passing to keep the UO D honest, OSU probably CAN eventually run them over. My nightmare scenario is that OSU tries to establish "Dave" first, fails to do so, falls behind by two TDs and then panics and starts trying to catch up by throwing all over the place. A DIVERSE running attack and 35% passing (50% on first down with 2-3 screens to Saine mixed in) seems like a winning formula to me.
 
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muffler dragon;1627150; said:
Comcast SportsNet just showed a 1 1/2 hour program that was essentially a "scouting report" of the Buckeyes. I missed the first 30 minutes. They showed the Iowa game, and had Anthony Newman and Dwight Jay evaluating the game. It's not much of anything that we haven't heard/read before; however, I thought a couple things were rather interesting:

  • Newman said that he doesn't think our LBs go very well from sideline to sideline. "Slow of foot" was his statement.
  • Both were very impressed with our front four on defense.
  • Offensively, they spoke a lot about the power O that the Buckeyes run, and how that could pose a problem for the Ducks.
  • Newman is impressed with TPs skills even though he's not used as well as he thinks he could be.
  • Thought that Herron and Saine were very good backs.
  • Feel that Posey is the only receiving threat we have.
All-in-all, a LOT of the same cliches as are typical. Not too bad of a show. I wish I could have seen the first of the show to understand why they were showing Iowa for a "scouting report".
Seems like a fairly objective view of the Buckeyes.
 
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