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Game Thread 2010 Rose Bowl: Ohio State 26 Oregon 17 (Final, 1/01/2010)

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cincibuck;1618496; said:
I like the Buckeye defense, but that same defense gave up a ton of yards to Purdue and Michigan, two seven loss teams that just happened to play spread.
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The spread is always going to put up yards. It's deficiency is moving the ball in the redzone. Not that big of a deal. Even so, you're ignoring Oregon's bad moments. Stanford, with a "conventional" O, rammed it down Oregon's throats. As did Oregon State.

Buckeneye;1618592; said:
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but that's insane. Colts passing ability alone puts him far above Massoli. Keep Colt in the pocket and he can still survey the field and make a strike. Keep Jeramiah (was a bullfrog) in the pocket and you frustrate him.
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Yeah, but how do you keep him in the pocket? Easier said than done. Colt McCoy's career stats blow Vince Young's away but who would you rather face? Masoli can make plays with his arm and feet that McCoy never will. He has a rocket and runs like a pitbull.(starting to sound like another "The legend of..." thread, I know) McCoy is has more limits on the things he can do with his arm and legs. I just think Masoli at the top of his game is harder to defend than McCoy.
 
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OregonBuckeye;1618677; said:
Yeah, but how do you keep him in the pocket? Easier said than done. Colt McCoy's career stats blow Vince Young's away but who would you rather face?
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Considering that Young was just about the reason Texas almost lost to us...

I'd say its a wash. Young was electrifying, but the one great defense he faced his junior year he damn near gave the game away.

I'll take Colts arm and Vince legs....:biggrin:

Besides, you act as if McCoy is a sloth running the ball. He's not Massoli no, but he's very effective when he wants/has to tuck and run.


OregonBuckeye;1618677; said:
McCoy is has more limits on the things he can do with his arm and legs. I just think Masoli at the top of his game is harder to defend than McCoy.
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What limits does McCoy have with his arm? He's a far more effective passer overall than Masoli by a long shot. I'll yeild you the leg use because
that's obviously one of the prime components to Oregon's system, but like I said, McCoy is very dangerous if he gets to open field.
 
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Buckeneye;1618725; said:
What limits does McCoy have with his arm? He's a far more effective passer overall than Masoli by a long shot. I'll yeild you the leg use because that's obviously one of the prime components to Oregon's system, but like I said, McCoy is very dangerous if he gets to open field.
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McCoy won the Fiesta Bowl against us single handedly last year. Ohio State was superior to Texas offensively and defensively in that game but Colt kept pulling plays out of his ass with pressure in his face on every play.
 
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BRICKtamland;1618730; said:
McCoy won the Fiesta Bowl against us single handedly last year. Ohio State was superior to Texas offensively and defensively in that game but Colt kept pulling plays out of his ass with pressure in his face on every play.
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I'm well aware of that. If you replace McCoy with Masoli for that game no way in hell the later pulls off a game winning drive.
 
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Besides, you act as if McCoy is a sloth running the ball. He's not Massoli no, but he's very effective when he wants/has to tuck and run.
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He's not as physical as Masoli, but I'm not sure he gives up any athleticism when comparing the two.
 
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BrutusBobcat;1618547; said:
That is because we don't run this play:

Oregon Inside Zone Read of 3 Technique DT | Trojan Football Analysis

It isn't about "better" or "worse", which is why we're always screaming about transitivity around here. Football isn't math class or logic class. Football is about matchups. As I explain it to girls who don't understand X's and O's, it's like rock, paper, scissors. If your defense is paper (ie. schemed to defend against rock) and the opponent shows up with scissors, you get shredded.

Trojans brought paper, Oregon brought scissors. That link explains Oregon's scissors.
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Actualllly, Ohio State does run something very similar AND they read the same guy as explained in the article (the 3 or 4 techniques). They instead of blocking the interior lineman, block the outside linebacker.

Also, defensively Ohio St isnt going to be learning new assignments when they play Oregon. They really started building their defense to defend spread teams. They dont run a true 3-4 per se because they actually dont play the gaps like a normal 3-4 would and they run the guard at a 1-technique. Its pretty innovative stuff because they have guys lined up on edge, but still have the presence inside to stop a traditional power run. I think they schematics for this game are going to be great.
 
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Ok, did anyone watch the Boise Oregon game? I am just hoping he plays like that against our defense. He was trying to run over some of the defenders, and did a few times, but one of those times - not so successful, and it destroyed his game. I hope he brings that weak sauce. As good as he might appear, I think he is fairly average. He is not the one to worry about, its lamichael james- that little man is probably the hardest player to tackle second only to dion lewis. He is ridiculously fast. I believe strongly in our DL, but if he takes it outside, we might not be so lucky against little man. We should do quite well though

GO BUCKS:osu:
 
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Except that the transitive property does not work in football.
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The mathematic transitive property assumes that the equation will reflect the same number relationships. Fine. As I read this thread I don't find myself or others suggesting that the Oregon, USC, OSU, Purdue numbers are exact and thus create an equation in which it becomes a mathematic absolute that Oregon will win.

What some of us are suggesting is that because of what happened in those four games there is no reason to believe that the Rose Bowl match up should look like a lock for the Buckeyes.
 
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