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2010 polls - Pre-season and regular

t_BuckeyeScott;1709515; said:
Well 1 of those 3 didn't play last year for the Sooners. One can also make the case that Landy Jones will be better. Their D-Line returns talent and is always good. Texas won't be as good. All 5 losses were close. They blew everyone else out. The Big 12 is down. Beat Nebraska in the Big 12 championship game and boom you're undefeated.


  • Sam Bradford did play some for them last year. Oklahoma was 1-2 in games in which Bradford appeared, and 1-1 in games in which he had more than 10 pass attempts.
  • Bradford wasn't available for the rest of the year because outside of Trent Williams their O-line sucked out loud and got their QBs killed against any team with a pulse. Those guys are coming back, but are they actually going to be better, or experienced and still [censored]ty?
  • Why won't Texas be as good? Because of the talent they lost? Hmmm...
  • Only four losses were close. They got curb stomped by Texas Tech.
  • This is a team that recently lost a bowl game to Boise State, recently lost a bowl game to West Virginia, and last season lost a game to BYU and got beat down by Texas Tech. This year they're going on the road to play Cincinnati. For as much as I'd like to see the Bearkittens get their asses handed to them in that one, it's a bear trap of a game for the Sooners. They apparently have a problem with going on the road to play mid-majors and teams with gimmicky offenses, and they'll be looking ahead to Texas the week after. I think it's a bit much to talk about a team in their position as having a 1-game season before things even start.
  • Here are the teams that Oklahoma beat last year: Idaho State, Tulsa, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Texas A&M and Oklahoma State. I only see one team on that list that was even worth a damn.
 
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NBCSports.com Preseason Top 25

Not that Preseason polls bear much weight, but here you go:

2. Ohio State
Offensive: At the skill positions, the Buckeyes are well-stocked with weapons. They also possess the ultimate weapon - junior quarterback Terrelle Pryor. Long before he arrived on campus, Pryor's play-making reputation was well-known throughout the Big Ten. He has shown flashes of that. Now he is seeking consistency. His size and speed are off the charts for a quarterback. His 779 rushing yards led the Buckeyes last season (not necessarily a good thing in Ohio State's mindset). His accuracy must improve. That could be a simple fix because he's surrounded by great talent. Senior Brandon Saine has the look of a classic Ohio State tailback. Pryor has big-play targets in junior DeVier Posey and senior Dane Sanzenbacher, plus the athletic ability of sophomore tight end Jake Stoneburner opens some intriguing possibilities. Four starters return on the offensive line, including senior guard Justin Boren, a mauler, but the player to watch is junior Mike Adams, the new left tackle, who has been limited by injuries.

Defensive: It should be business as usual for a unit that returns seven starters, including one of the nation's most dominant performers, senior defensive end Cameron Hayward, who had 6.5 sacks last season. Senior defensive tackle Dexter Latimore returns for his third season as a starter. The team's two leading tacklers, senior linebackers Ross Homan and Brian Rolle, are also back. The only minor concern is replacing the two safeties, but the Buckeyes are high on the potential of sophomore Orhian Johnson.

Specialists: Devin Barclay, the senior place-kicker, is a great story. He's a 27-year-old former professional soccer player, but he has found a home with Ohio State. He was 7-for-10 on field-goal attempts, including an overtime game-winner to defeat Iowa and send the Buckeyes to the Rose Bowl. Inexperienced sophomore Ben Buchanan is the new punter. There will also be new faces in the return game, and Ohio State features a plethora of candidates.

Coaching: Jim Tressel (94-21), entering his 10th season with Ohio State, will earn his 100th victory with the school this fall. Do the math. That's the hallmark of consistency and stability. Tressel is sometimes criticized for his conservative nature and inability to win BCS bowl games (three-game losing streak prior to defeating Oregon in last season?s Rose Bowl), but you can't dispute his elevation of Ohio State into a consistent national power.

Heisman Hopefuls: Pryor is front and center in the Heisman race. He has name recognition. He's coming off a stellar performance in a high-profile bowl game. He plays quarterback for a team expected to contend for the national championship. Yes, he has all the key ingredients. Now he must deliver.

Game of the year: Oct. 16 at Wisconsin. Already, it looks like one of the bigger Big Ten games in recent memory. Camp Randall Stadium is usually a difficult venue for the Buckeyes and this season will be no different. Wisconsin, in fact, is the only team to defeat Ohio State three times in the last decade (2001, 2003, 2004).

Overview: The numbers are stunning. Consider this: Prior to Tressel's arrival, Ohio State was 3-12-1 against Michigan. Under Tressel, the Buckeyes are 8-1 against the Wolverines. Ohio State is seeking its sixth consecutive Big Ten championship. If Pryor plays to expectations and the right things break, the Buckeyes should be playing for a national title for the third time in the past five seasons. Things are good in Columbus.

NBCSports.com's Preseason Top 25 - Sports- nbcsports.msnbc.com
 
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I can't think of a team in the BCS era that was able to maintain its level of play after losing so much on defense. USC couldn't do it in 2005. We couldn't do it 2006. Florida sure as hell couldn't do it in 2007. If Alabama repeats, then a) it will be unprecedented, and b) it will be a huge testament to Saban's stockpiling of talent (and the merits of over-recruiting). What IS scary is their balance and depth on offense. That NBC article made one point unnervingly clear - yes, Pryor is the ultimate weapon, but if we lose him (god forbid) we're hosed. If McElroy or even Ingram goes down, Richardson and whoever the hell their backup is could probably take over without many issues.
 
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rocketman;1740025; said:
I can't think of a team in the BCS era that was able to maintain its level of play after losing so much on defense. USC couldn't do it in 2005. We couldn't do it 2006. Florida sure as hell couldn't do it in 2007. If Alabama repeats, then a) it will be unprecedented, and b) it will be a huge testament to Saban's stockpiling of talent (and the merits of over-recruiting). What IS scary is their balance and depth on offense. That NBC article made one point unnervingly clear - yes, Pryor is the ultimate weapon, but if we lose him (god forbid) we're hosed. If McElroy or even Ingram goes down, Richardson and whoever the hell their backup is could probably take over without many issues.

Yep - and that's why the tOSU offense limits the amount of designed QB runs. Look at Texas in '06 and in '09 - injuries to Colt on called running plays cost them the chance at the NC in each season. (In '06, a goal line QB sneak got his bell rung, which cost them the K-St and aTm games, eliminating a possible rematch with tOSU in the BCS Title game).
 
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rocketman;1740025; said:
I can't think of a team in the BCS era that was able to maintain its level of play after losing so much on defense. USC couldn't do it in 2005. We couldn't do it 2006. Florida sure as hell couldn't do it in 2007. If Alabama repeats, then a) it will be unprecedented, and b) it will be a huge testament to Saban's stockpiling of talent (and the merits of over-recruiting). What IS scary is their balance and depth on offense. That NBC article made one point unnervingly clear - yes, Pryor is the ultimate weapon, but if we lose him (god forbid) we're hosed. If McElroy or even Ingram goes down, Richardson and whoever the hell their backup is could probably take over without many issues.

If Pryor goes down, I think we'll just go the route of what we did for Iowa, Penn State, and Michigan at the end of the season. We have the talent and capabilities to run it down people's throats. Guiton can run, and he can start to develop his pass at that time. If we have to go to Bauserman, I think we're in trouble just due to lack of chemistry.
 
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rocketman;1740025; said:
I can't think of a team in the BCS era that was able to maintain its level of play after losing so much on defense..


rocketman;1740025; said:
If Alabama repeats



Just an FYI, but the last time any team lost 9 starters on defense and began the season #1 overall was.... 2006 :(

Possibly a bit of foreshadowing there that Bama's offense is expected to be much better this year, while the defense might take 2nd stage. Sounds awfully familiar to the 2005-2006 tOSU scenerio.
 
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Coqui;1740037; said:
If Pryor goes down, I think we'll just go the route of what we did for Iowa, Penn State, and Michigan at the end of the season. We have the talent and capabilities to run it down people's throats. Guiton can run, and he can start to develop his pass at that time. If we have to go to Bauserman, I think we're in trouble just due to lack of chemistry.

But you have to remember, how many 3rd downs were picked up by PRYOR running. Yes, Boom and Saine are good at picking up yards when needed, but last years final games were comprised of Pryor's legs just as much:

PSU - Pryor: 50 yds (10yds avg) 1 TD; Boom & Saine: 58 & 68 yds (3.4 yds avg) 0 TD

scUM- Pryor: 74 yds (4 yds avg) 0 TD; Boom & Saine: 96 & 84 yds 1 TD

OU- Pryor: 72 yds (3.6 yds avg) 0 TD; Boom & Saine: 45 & 42 yds (3.2 yds) 0 TD


I'd say that it was really the Iowa game that Pryor wasn't needed much for rushing/scrambling. His value relies more on what he can do when a play breaks down and he's forced to rush as well as his ability to connect while throwing on a run. Its great that we have a full cupboard of backs ready to go if something happens to the QB, but at some point the opposing defense will start shutting down the run and will need an experienced QB to step up.

If Pryor goes down, we may be in bigger trouble than we all want to believe.
 
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SEREbuckeye;1740092; said:
I'd say that it was really the Iowa game that Pryor wasn't needed much for rushing/scrambling.

correct me if i'm wrong but didn't TP have a critical 3rd and long scamper to pick up a first down when we were just out of field goal range in the second half of the Iowa game?


He may not have put up tons of yards, but that one play huge.


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just looked it up. He had a 3rd and 6 rush for 7 yards in the first quarter and a 3rd and 10 rush for 19 yards which set up a touchdown in the fourth quarter. These two rushes account for 26 yards. He only had 29 yards rushing in the game. Although he didn't put up huge numbers on the ground ,he came thru when needed.
 
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Tlangs;1740096; said:
correct me if i'm wrong but didn't TP have a critical 3rd and long scamper to pick up a first down when we were just out of field goal range in the second half of the Iowa game?


He may not have put up tons of yards, but that one play huge.

Ive already covered that. I said that in my previous post that "many 3rd downs were picked up by PRYOR running"...

I'll reiterate that the Iowa game, in terms of yardage, Pryor was needed as Boom ran for 97 yards and 1 TD, and Saine for 103 yards and 2 TDs. Pryor ran for a mere 29 yards and no TDs.
 
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Buckeneye;1740089; said:
Just an FYI, but the last time any team lost 9 starters on defense and began the season #1 overall was.... 2006 :(

Possibly a bit of foreshadowing there that Bama's offense is expected to be much better this year, while the defense might take 2nd stage. Sounds awfully familiar to the 2005-2006 tOSU scenerio.

First thing that came to mind was our 2006 team. Will 'Bama be tested by a good offense this year? Nothing on their schedule screams "elite" offense, but you could make a case for

  • Arkansas - Ryan Mallet-lead aerial attack (I LOL'd thinking about what could've been at Michigan)
  • Florida - Can't count out the Urbz just yet
  • Ole Miss - Could be interesting if they get Masoli. Also, Houston Nutt snorts Red Bull.
  • Auburn - Cam Newton + Chizik's high-tempo affair

One of those four could be their stumbling block. Or they could have their Purdon't moment and lose to MSU.
 
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SEREbuckeye;1740092; said:
But you have to remember, how many 3rd downs were picked up by PRYOR running. Yes, Boom and Saine are good at picking up yards when needed, but last years final games were comprised of Pryor's legs just as much:

PSU - Pryor: 50 yds (10yds avg) 1 TD; Boom & Saine: 58 & 68 yds (3.4 yds avg) 0 TD

scUM- Pryor: 74 yds (4 yds avg) 0 TD; Boom & Saine: 96 & 84 yds 1 TD

OU- Pryor: 72 yds (3.6 yds avg) 0 TD; Boom & Saine: 45 & 42 yds (3.2 yds) 0 TD


I'd say that it was really the Iowa game that Pryor wasn't needed much for rushing/scrambling. His value relies more on what he can do when a play breaks down and he's forced to rush as well as his ability to connect while throwing on a run. Its great that we have a full cupboard of backs ready to go if something happens to the QB, but at some point the opposing defense will start shutting down the run and will need an experienced QB to step up.

If Pryor goes down, we may be in bigger trouble than we all want to believe.

This is why I mentioned Guiton over Bauserman. Guiton can be more mobile if necessary to add a QB threat to the run. Is he as good as Pryor at running? We'll have to wait and see, however all signs point to no. But he's still an option.
 
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PRESEASON PICKS
How Ohio State (and other Big Ten teams) rank in the preseason polls (top 25) in national publications:

Blue Ribbon College Football Yearbook
1. Ohio State
2. Alabama
3. Boise State
4. Oklahoma
5. Florida
?
8. Iowa
12. Wisconsin
23. Penn State

Sporting News
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Boise State
4. Miami (Fla.)
5. Florida
?
8. Wisconsin
13. Iowa

Phil Steele's College Football Preview
1. Oklahoma
2. Ohio State
3. Alabama
4. Texas Christian
5. Nebraska
?
14. Iowa
18. Penn State
23. Wisconsin

Athlon's
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Southern California
4. Boise State
5. Oklahoma
?
12. Iowa
16. Wisconsin
23. Penn State

Yahoo Sports
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Boise State
4. Oregon
5. Nebraska
?
8. Iowa
11. Wisconsin
19. Penn State

Lindy's
1. Alabama
2. Boise State
3. Ohio State
4. Texas
5. Florida
?
6. Wisconsin
10. Iowa
24. Penn State

ESPN.com
1. Alabama
2. Boise State
3. Ohio State
4. Texas
5. Virginia Tech
?
9. Wisconsin
11. Iowa
23. Penn State

SI.com
1. Alabama
2. Boise State
3. Ohio State
4. Texas
5. Iowa
?
10. Wisconsin
12. Penn State

CBSSports.com
1. Alabama
2. Boise State
3. Ohio State
4. Florida
5. Texas Christian
?
8. Iowa
10. Wisconsin
19. Penn State

toledoblade.com -- The Blade ~ Toledo Ohio
 
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