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2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

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Jaxbuck;1596912; said:
I know the common thought is one of them will get Brian Kelly and he's going to be good. Hard to argue that but then again, lets just wait and see. Could these two superpowers of suck somehow combine all that negative karma into one colossal fuck up and neither one of them end up with Kelly? Not likely but stranger shit has happened.

Bottom line to me is while it will indeed be a sad, sad day if we lose both Cheeseburger Charlie and his snake oil peddling doppelganger we may just be treated to another thoroughly entertaining coaching search that will most closely resemble two drowning men that everyone hates fighting for 1 life jacket.
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I assume that each will fire its coach before the other to get the drop and have first choice of all the coaches currently on the market. The thing is, just like the previous time (for both schools), I don't know if either has thought about what happens after their first, second, or even third choices say, "No, thank you."

I hate to see Charlie and Rich go, but it will all be worth it if that means we get to see both Kelly and Harbaugh, and potentially others, publicly decline wanting either job, because they'd really rather stay at Cincinnati and Stanford.
 
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Dryden;1596922; said:
I assume that each will fire its coach before the other to get the drop and have first choice of all the coaches currently on the market. The thing is, just like the previous time (for both schools), I don't know if either has thought about what happens after their first, second, or even third choices say, "No, thank you."

I hate to see Charlie and Rich go, but it will all be worth it if that means we get to see both Kelly and Harbaugh, and potentially others, publicly decline wanting either job, because they'd really rather stay at Cincinnati and Stanford.
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Exactamundo.

Kelly staying put is highly unlikely but then again when you are a couple of years removed from the Rutgers coach telling you to go gent bent, nothing is a given.
 
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Jaxbuck;1596912; said:
I know the common thought is one of them will get Brian Kelly and he's going to be good. Hard to argue that but then again, lets just wait and see. Could these two superpowers of suck somehow combine all that negative karma into one colossal fuck up and neither one of them end up with Kelly? Not likely but stranger shit has happened.
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In 2001, did anyone think that a CFB superpower like Ohio State would hire some no-name Division I-AA coach?

Yeah, we all think that UM and ND are going to hire some up-and-coming hot shot like Kelly or Harbaugh or maybe even Pat Fitzgerald ... but each school tried that approach last time, and what did it get them? Weis was generally considered to be the offensive genius behind the Patriots' dynasty, and RichRod was the guy who created the spread offense, which was the biggest thing to hit the college football scene since the invention of the forward pass in 1906 ... both have fallen flat on their faces since taking over their respective CFB superpowers.

Right now, everyone thinks that Brian Kelly is the next Urban Meyer, but we really won't know until he gets his chance at a big time program. Remember, RichRod's success came in the same crappy Big East Conference that has made Brian Kelly all the rage ... and also remember, that RichRod was supposed to be even more successful in Ann Arbor because Michigan has a huge natural recruiting advantage over West Virginia ... and we also heard similar things, on a smaller scale, about Mark Dantonio's move from Big East Cincinnati to Big Ten Michigan State. Well, how have those two moves worked out? I say that Kelly is just as likely to be another RichRod or Dantonio as another Meyer....
 
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I have to admit, never in my wildest dreams did I think things would go this badly for the creepy bastard. I figured year one would yield at least 5-6 wins with 7-8 in year two. I never thought he would amount to much more than what Carr did his last few years, but didn't expect anything remotely close to this glorious abomination. The fact that they're pretty much in shambles, are being investigated by the NCAA and talk is already swirling of his demise is really surprising to me.

That said, if he goes, I'll be seriously rooting for NoD for the 1st time in my life...to get Brian Kelly first.
 
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Both Kelly and Hairball (Harbaugh) are excellent coaches. I would hate to see TSUN get either of these guys as they would both build an excellent program at scUM. Hairball is about to sign an extenstion with Stanford and so he may be out of reach. Kelly has coached and recruited in the state of Michigan and so he would probably be the most logically choice, as well as best choice. I would see Miles as an outside chance due to his ties to the school....

GO BUCKS!!!
Beat scUM!

:osu:
 
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LordJeffBuck;1596966; said:
In 2001, did anyone think that a CFB superpower like Ohio State would hire some no-name Division I-AA coach?

Yeah, we all think that UM and ND are going to hire some up-and-coming hot shot like Kelly or Harbaugh or maybe even Pat Fitzgerald ... but each school tried that approach last time, and what did it get them? Weis was generally considered to be the offensive genius behind the Patriots' dynasty, and RichRod was the guy who created the spread offense, which was the biggest thing to hit the college football scene since the invention of the forward pass in 1906 ... both have fallen flat on their faces since taking over their respective CFB superpowers.

Right now, everyone thinks that Brian Kelly is the next Urban Meyer, but we really won't know until he gets his chance at a big time program. Remember, RichRod's success came in the same crappy Big East Conference that has made Brian Kelly all the rage ... and also remember, that RichRod was supposed to be even more successful in Ann Arbor because Michigan has a huge natural recruiting advantage over West Virginia ... and we also heard similar things, on a smaller scale, about Mark Dantonio's move from Big East Cincinnati to Big Ten Michigan State. Well, how have those two moves worked out? I say that Kelly is just as likely to be another RichRod or Dantonio as another Meyer....
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Can't say I disagree. I was more of a mind to compare Kelly to our hire of JT the last go around for scUM so I can't honestly say I don't think he'll work out but there are absolutely no guarantees.

One thing is for sure, from our search in 2001 and watching others since, the big name traditional super powers can't just simply grab a list of "name" coaches and assume they get to take their pick.

Also, from watching so many spectacular failures it is always worth mentioning what a tremendous service Andy Geiger did for this institution in his hiring of Thad Matta and Jim Tressel.

I may argue with people about degrees of success(I still want a new OC and I'm sick of the 1 and dones) but when you can contrast all the healthy program building effects of a good hire to all the unhealthy program damaging effects of a bad one, I would say its worth discussing where Geiger's contributions to OSU athletics rank all time.
 
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One difference between DicRod and Kelly is that Kelly's record has been very good across the board, with a few exceptions. DickRod, on the otherhand, is actually pretty mediocre with the exception of three really good years in a 15 year career...I think his career win percentage is right around 61%.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1596966; said:
and we also heard similar things, on a smaller scale, about Mark Dantonio's move from Big East Cincinnati to Big Ten Michigan State. Well, how have those two moves worked out? I say that Kelly is just as likely to be another RichRod or Dantonio as another Meyer....
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Not to get too off track but I think Dantonio has worked out. MSU doesn't have the same expectations as scUM. As long as he keeps getting them to bowls, it's a successful hire, IMO.
 
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NFBuck;1596980; said:
One difference between DicRod and Kelly is that Kelly's record has been very good across the board, with a few exceptions. DickRod, on the otherhand, is actually pretty mediocre with the exception of three really good years in a 15 year career...I think his career win percentage is right around 61%.
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Overall records:

Kelly: 169-57-2 (.746)
RichRod: 111-69-2 (.615)

Note that Kelly was 41-2-0 during his last three seasons at Grand Valley State.


The more interesting comparison is between their records at Big East/MAC schools (Kelly's 3 years at Central Michigan and 3 years at Cincinnati; RichRod's 7 years at West Virginia):

Kelly: 51-22-0 (.6986)
RichRod: 60-26-0 (.6976)

Same guy?
 
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To be sure, ND and TSUN are at a crossroads. I expect that ND will pursue a successful head coach from the college ranks. Their experiments have often failed (Faust-HS coach, Davie-college DC, Weis-NFL OC). TSUN, on the other hand, is in the worse position. No matter who they hire, the new coach will not likely run the spread-option and be faced with even more years of rebuilding. I doubt that the arrogance of the TSUN administration will permit them to hire anyone but a high-profile candidate. I suppose the speculation, as with the current meltdown, will continue to be especially entertaining.
 
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