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2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

05 is ancient history.
But there's plenty for Sparty to be motivated about.
And I wonder how Tate's arm is? Will this be the first team the skunkbears have played with a defense?
Sparty hasn't looked very good so far. I see another high scoring affair unless it rains.
 
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Taosman;1554410; said:
05 is ancient history.
But there's plenty for Sparty to be motivated about.
And I wonder how Tate's arm is? Will this be the first team the skunkbears have played with a defense?
Sparty hasn't looked very good so far. I see another high scoring affair unless it rains.
I wouldn't call what MSU does without the ball "defense", but by comparison to what Michigan has already faced it may be the closest thing resembling it. MSU did give up 29 to CMU, 33 to ND and 38 to Wisky so they're shaky at best.
 
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Please note the following when passing judgment on the Michigan defense:

This year, Michigan has Roh, RVB, Martin, Floyd/Cissoko, Woolfolk, MWilliams/Kovacs as first-year starters. That's 6 out of 11 positions on defense. And Brown is at a new position.

1) I hope these guys get better as the year goes on (but wear-and-tear over the season, coupled with non-existent depth might take away any gains from experience).

2) We'll be better in the future. Hopefully we can even upgrade the young talent some of these positions (safeties? 2nd cornerback)

3) It makes the failings of our experienced LBs even more appalling. Ezeh and Mouton are 2 of the 5 returning starters. The others are playing very well. Those two are not.

Oh, but you can pass judgment on the rushing offense all you want. They were abysmal. That's what cost us the game (some key drops by the WRs, too. But moreso the rushing offense). The defense limited MSU to 20 points in regulation. That's not great, but it's sufficient to win. The offense couldn't get a first down. And they put the defense in bad spots (like they have all season, actually). I hope that fake punt was on Mesko, not RR.
 
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That fake punt is absolutely on rr. His trick play punting formation is designed so every punt can be a fake. Clearly zoltan was not given a red light, either before that play or in general, in a situation like that.


The defense has major issues, but they found a way to keep UM in the game with redzone stops.

Kovacs is still a limited player, but he capitalized on his frequent opportunities to pursue unimpeded from the back side.

The defense was a sieve at times, but kept holding MSU's scoring drives to 3. Their offense did nothing but punt for the most part, yet they were only down by 4 at halftime.

The offensive adjustments were largely non-existent. Msu stacked the box and walked their corners up,, daring UM to beat them deep, yet UM kept running the ball and not attacking downfield with the pass.

It was eerily similar to wvu-pitt games, and the griping you heard from mountaineer fans. Coaches tight in big games, does not make adjustments, doesn't attack downfield, etc. The other team was even swamped with devastating penalties. (like that late hit call - when junior was starting to drive back upfield, and the hands to the face - when no hands came close to Tate's helmet)

The offense was going to finish the game with 3 pts - the defense gets the first 3 imo - until msu went into prevent mode (like carr used to do). If they keep attacking, Tate never has a chance to comeback.

MSU's defense can't stop the pass nor are they very good at stopping the run without stacking the box.



RR made offensive recruiting and numbers a priority at UM. He needs to be scoring 35 ppg to compensate for the lack of depth and talent on D.
 
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Jwins,

I don't disagree with anything you said. This team's got problems. And they aren't going away this season. I still think they can get to 9-4 (including bowl game), which was my prediction before the season.

Do you think UM beats Iowa? Our rush defense is the (comparatively) better part of our defense -- MSU's RBs were held in check, for example. Indiana's RB did pretty well against us (well, that one long play at least). I'm not sure if Iowa's passing game will hurt us like ND's and MSU's did.

I don't really have a feel for how our O will do against their defense. After the MSU game, I'm not sure how well this O-line can do against a good D-line. Despite the great rushing totals pre-MSU, I'm back to wait-and-see mode on the rushing game.

I think we know where this defense is, and I'm okay with that actually. The offense I'm not sure about. The passing game rests on Forcier's health, and is spotty at times regardless. The rushing game was horrible yesterday. Minor's ankle needs to get healthy, too. I do not think he was really ready to go for MSU. And Molk needs to get back quickly from his broken foot. But we shouldn't be in the position where one injury on the OL affects us so much.
 
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I don't know what to think about iowa-UM, except that I believe iowa is terribly overrated at #12.

Um's run d is undersized, and even had trouble with meager little emu. MSU's terrible rushing o did ok vs UM, not great.

Stanzi is very average. He has to make UM pay when he gets the chance.

Iowa has struggled to outpace terrible opponents, I question how they'll do if they get down a few scores.
 
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jwinslow;1557960; said:
That fake punt is absolutely on rr. His trick play punting formation is designed so every punt can be a fake. Clearly zoltan was not given a red light, either before that play or in general, in a situation like that.


The defense has major issues, but they found a way to keep UM in the game with redzone stops.

Kovacs is still a limited player, but he capitalized on his frequent opportunities to pursue unimpeded from the back side.

The defense was a sieve at times, but kept holding MSU's scoring drives to 3. Their offense did nothing but punt for the most part, yet they were only down by 4 at halftime.

The offensive adjustments were largely non-existent. Msu stacked the box and walked their corners up,, daring UM to beat them deep, yet UM kept running the ball and not attacking downfield with the pass.

It was eerily similar to wvu-pitt games, and the griping you heard from mountaineer fans. Coaches tight in big games, does not make adjustments, doesn't attack downfield, etc. The other team was even swamped with devastating penalties. (like that late hit call - when junior was starting to drive back upfield, and the hands to the face - when no hands came close to Tate's helmet)

The offense was going to finish the game with 3 pts - the defense gets the first 3 imo - until msu went into prevent mode (like carr used to do). If they keep attacking, Tate never has a chance to comeback.

MSU's defense can't stop the pass nor are they very good at stopping the run without stacking the box.



RR made offensive recruiting and numbers a priority at UM. He needs to be scoring 35 ppg to compensate for the lack of depth and talent on D.

Jwinslow just sumed everything up in a nutshell.
 
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jwinslow;1558031; said:
I don't know what to think about iowa-UM, except that I believe iowa is terribly overrated at #12.

Um's run d is undersized, and even had trouble with meager little emu. MSU's terrible rushing o did ok vs UM, not great.

Stanzi is very average. He has to make UM pay when he gets the chance.

Iowa has struggled to outpace terrible opponents, I question how they'll do if they get down a few scores.

Tsun is going to be more athletic/talented than 90-95% of the teams they play. Unfortunately for them, it's not basketball, it's football. So, unless they find a physical presence on both offense and defense, they are going to continue to get beat by teams that they out talent. I'd guess this will bite them yet again next weekend @ Iowa.
 
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Just wanted to point out that MSU has the worst pass defense and pass efficiency defense in the B10 and scUM couldn't exploit it. MSU also has the 3rd best run defense in the B10 and it just stonewalled scUM's running game.

I have to admit I thought scUM was over rated but not this badly. They struggled to beat IU and ND who both suck and couldn't take the gift an equally sorry Sparty team was trying to give them. WMU and EMU are horrible but I guess the progress they have made from last year is they don't lose to bad MAC teams anymore.

The first time they play a good balanced team with a legit offense and a good defense they are going to get smoked.

@Iowa
Penn State
@ Wisky
OSU

all look to be very likely losses for the scUMers at this point. Illinois looks like they have quit but they are always capable of a good Zooking and I don't see any reason Purdue would be an auto win for scUM.

There is only 1 for sure win left in their last 7 games. How much of the September goodwill does RR spend if they limp into a Bowl game at 7-5? Lots of football yet to be played but scUM has shown some major flaws and still has to play the top 4 teams in the B10 with the Tater showing signs of wear already.
 
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Jaxbuck;1558258; said:
Just wanted to point out that MSU has the worst pass defense and pass efficiency defense in the B10 and scUM couldn't exploit it. MSU also has the 3rd best run defense in the B10 and it just stonewalled scUM's running game.

DickRod's MO. Once he develops a gameplan, good or not, he will not deviate from it. No way should they have lost that game. No way.
 
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NFBuck;1558262; said:
DickRod's MO. Once he develops a gameplan, good or not, he will not deviate from it. No way should they have lost that game. No way.


Listen, I hate scUM as much as anyone but lets try and remain somewhat objective here.

If RR was that bad of a coach we would have seen some signs of it by now. He would have lost a major rivalry game to a vastly inferior opponent coached by some goofball like Dave Wanstedt or something.
 
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