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2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

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I think Ohio State fans are generally, very thankful Michigan ended up with DRod.

I still thank my lucky stars that Brian Kelly and UM aren't a match. Brian Kelly was the right hire. Just like Jim Tressel was the right hire.

The amount of pro-prospects Brian Kelly could have recruited in to his system would have been amazing. Pro-Style QB's would have been lining up in Ann Arbor to play for him, and the UM tradition.

Instead you hired DRod, and his spread offense, and non-NFL producing ways. Not that there's anything wrong with that.....
 
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zwem;1456441; said:
I think a fan base will get delusionary when shit isn't going their way. A lot of OSU fans where the same way in the late 80s and 90s using all kinds of excuses. Well Michigan only won because Cooper was our coach. OSU has the better players and Michigan got lucky. Hell there are OSu fans that still don't give credit to Michigan. OSU lost those games rather than Michigan winning those games.........that was the theme.
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Well lets just look at that for a minute

The two coaches before Coop had winning records against scUM and the coach after Coop has a winning record against scUM, call me a homer but I'd say Coop was the outlier.

Several of his losses, especially in the mid 90's, where big time choke jobs to an inferior team so it isn't exactly a big stretch to blame it on the coaching. The late 80's and early 90's were just a case of not having the same caliber of team. From '94 on It was choke job after choke job.
 
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Jaxbuck;1456864; said:
Well lets just look at that for a minute

The two coaches before Coop had winning records against scUM and the coach after Coop has a winning record against scUM, call me a homer but I'd say Coop was the outlier.

Several of his losses, especially in the mid 90's, where big time choke jobs to an inferior team so it isn't exactly a big stretch to blame it on the coaching. The late 80's and early 90's were just a case of not having the same caliber of team. From '94 on It was choke job after choke job.
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I'm not trying to start anything here but do you think 95 was a choke job? Michigan had nearly 400 yards rushing that day and Biakabutuka had 313 yards. To me that is the Michigan o-line dominating the OSU front 7. The better team won that day and Michigan didn't need to get lucky that day. Cooper wasn't the one missing tackles and getting pancaked.

Plus Michigan was better than some of the records they had in the 90s. Michigan is/was always notorious for losing games they shouldn't and that always drives me crazy.

I try not to be a homer although I am sometimes. I look at 2004 and 2005 and felt like Michigan had the better team. I'll give the credit to OSU for winning those games. I'm not going to cop out and say Michigan lost those games because of Carr.

Bruce was 5-4 against Michigan. It wasn't like he dominated them.

Woody was 16-11-1 against Michigan. 7-7-1 in his last 15 games against Michigan.

This series was pretty much even from around 1964 until Cooper got hired.


Maybe if we get a coach that "gets" this rivalry, things will start tilting our way.
 
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I'm not trying to start anything here but do you think 95 was a choke job? Michigan had nearly 400 yards rushing that day and Biakabutuka had 313 yards. To me that is the Michigan o-line dominating the OSU front 7. The better team won that day and Michigan didn't need to get lucky that day.
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There's no excuse for giving up 313 yards to one back. None. Would it make you feel better if we label it an inexcusably epic collapse?
Cooper wasn't the one missing tackles and getting pancaked.
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Who was responsible for their recruitment, coaching & preparation again? This is an absurd line from you.
Plus Michigan was better than some of the records they had in the 90s. Michigan is/was always notorious for losing games they shouldn't and that always drives me crazy.
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Were they 313 yards better than OSU's defense? More importantly, how much better was OSU than their record in the game, especially that one?
This series was pretty much even from around 1964 until Cooper got hired.
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Careful, such talk is not allowed from northern fans like yourself :p
Maybe if we get a coach that "gets" this rivalry, things will start tilting our way.
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Football is filled with glorified intangibles, and fans often put too much emphasis on them. That said, a UM coach that fields a strong defense would be a better starting point than one who gets it. When UM fields a consistently good to great defense, then the rivalry will level out, or even tilt the other way. Not before, imo.
 
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Let me make it clear I get your point about OSU fans overstating whether Coach X "gets it" or not, and I always appreciate your posts here zwem. I just disagreed strongly with a couple of your points.
 
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NFBuck;1456939; said:
When was the last time tsun didn't have anybody go on day one of the draft?
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It was an interesting point today on the Serius draft show which included Pat Kerwin and Gil Brandt. Someone stated how impressive it was for UConn to have 4 players go on the first day, when they have only been playing Div. 1 football for 13 yeaRS. Pat Kerwin said how equally interesting it was that some perenially big names didn't have anyone in the first 2 rounds. After some hee-ing and haw-ing Adam Schien said lets quit being non-specific, and the very first name that came up was Michigan. Another couple were ND and Miami.
 
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I just want to echo support for the posters identifying Cooper as an outlier. Count me among those who think he "didn't get it" at all.

Zwem, you can also count me among those who think a TSUN team this weak is no good for the Ohio State, the Big Ten, or football in the Midwest. We need you guys and Notre Dame to get some decent coaches and start winning some meaningful games.

Personally, I'd like to see you guys whip Notre Dame. Of course, in the interest of transparency, I am running a temperature today and feel a bit woozy. It may be the decongestant talking.
 
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zwem;1456916; said:
Bruce was 5-4 against Michigan.
Woody was 16-11-1 against Michigan.
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And JT is currently 7-1.

16-11-1
5-4
2-10-1
7-1

Whats the old Sesame Street song? "One of these things isn't like the other ones...one of these things doesn't belong".

Cooper, the outsider who never got The Game, was the outlier. He often took much more talented teams and found a way to lose to a 3-4 loss scUM team in the later part of his career. In the beginning he took less talented teams, gave scUM all they could handle but always found a way to come up short. If anyone doesn't think OSU's struggles against scUM from 88-2000 were due mostly to their HC shitting his pants and playing "not to lose" then they weren't watching the same debacles we were.

You guys replaced your Earl(Carr) with your Cooper(RR). Your Tressel still coaches at UC.
 
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