2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

[OregonBuckeye]

Anyway, I'd be very surprised to see Tate/Pryor comparisons. They're two completely different QBs. One is a more polished thrower that is working on his strength and running. The other is a hell of a runner, that is what, 240 lbs? and is working on his throwing. Both could be potentially great QBs for both squads and the Big10.

Anytime I see Tate talked about on the scUM scout.com message board, a comparison to Pryor is usually brought up.

 

[buckeyes_rock]

Anytime I see Tate talked about on the scUM scout.com message board, a comparison to Pryor is usually brought up.

All I can say to that is...

 

[blueinfla]

Anytime I see Tate talked about on the scUM scout.com message board, a comparison to Pryor is usually brought up.

Yeah, I hear A LOT of the conversations on those boards are pretty crappy.

 

[TheIronColonel]

I'm sure there will be highlight videos out. They may not be that long, but there will still be some (relax, its a joke)(if you can't relax, you need to grow up).

Anyway, I'd be very surprised to see Tate/Pryor comparisons. They're two completely different QBs. One is a more polished thrower that is working on his strength and running. The other is a hell of a runner, that is what, 240 lbs? and is working on his throwing. Both could be potentially great QBs for both squads and the Big10.

I think the main focus for most UM fans will be on the osu defense. How well can they replace all the talent that left last year? Who will step up to fill their role? How will the offense look without the Beanie/Pryor duo, and while replacing a few WRs?

I'm seriously interested to see which of them finishes the season with better passing stats. Since RR does his whole running bull[censored] offense, I doubt Forcier will have good volume numbers - but it'll be interesting to see how the efficiency numbers compare. I'm willing to bet that Pryor's numbers crush Forcier's.

 

[ant80]

I'm seriously interested to see which of them finishes the season with better passing stats. Since RR does his whole running bull[censored] offense, I doubt Forcier will have good volume numbers - but it'll be interesting to see how the efficiency numbers compare. I'm willing to bet that Pryor's numbers crush Forcier's.

I think the fairer comparison would be to compare Tate's stats with Pryor's freshman stats.

 

[blueinfla]

I'm seriously interested to see which of them finishes the season with better passing stats. Since RR does his whole running bull[censored] offense, I doubt Forcier will have good volume numbers - but it'll be interesting to see how the efficiency numbers compare. I'm willing to bet that Pryor's numbers crush Forcier's.

Sure, RR's offense is run first. However, over the course of Pat White's career, as he became a better passer, the offense threw more. Every year his passing increased, while rushing decreased, based on a percentage of play calling. I had the stats on another forum, let me see if I can find them.

I think a lot of you buckeye fans will be surprised by how much RR will throw with Tate this year.

 

[GrizzlyBuck]

Sure, RR's offense is run first. However, over the course of Pat White's career, as he became a better passer, the offense threw more. Every year his passing increased, while rushing decreased, based on a percentage of play calling. I had the stats on another forum, let me see if I can find them.

I think a lot of you buckeye fans will be surprised by how much RR will throw with Tate this year.

Yeah Pat White threw quite a bit with Stewart as HC, not so much with rr. As for Tater throwing a bunch, rr sure used two guys known more for their arms than there legs (pitiful I know ) last year by throwing a lot. Now Tater who is known as a better runner than either of the stiffs used last year will throw a bunch, and he did little to try to keep Mallett from running off, you're right if he throws much at all, I'll be suprised.

 

[blueinfla]

Here is the pass/run breakdown of RR over the past 4 years:

Pat White Stats Pass/Run:

 

[NFBuck]

Yeah Pat White threw quite a bit with Stewart as HC, not so much with rr. As for Tater throwing a bunch, rr sure used two guys known more for their arms than there legs (pitiful I know ) last year by throwing a lot. Now Tater who is known as a better runner than either of the stiffs used last year will throw a bunch, and he did little to try to keep Mallett from running off, you're right if he throws much at all, I'll be suprised.

Tater is light years ahead of either Threet or Sheridan. That still doesn't change the fact he's a true frosh, and a very undersized one at that. I'd look for a fairly balanced run/pass offense this year with a better passer under center and a solid stable of runningbacks. However, if Tater gets banged up, they'll be forced to rely on the run a lot more because that likely means back to Sheridan or the raw D. Robinson.

 

[blueinfla]

Tater is light years ahead of either Threet or Sheridan. That still doesn't change the fact he's a true frosh, and a very undersized one at that. I'd look for a fairly balanced run/pass offense this year with a better passer under center and a solid stable of runningbacks. However, if Tater gets banged up, they'll be forced to rely on the run a lot more because that likely means back to Sheridan or the raw D. Robinson.

I agree. Great analysis NFB.

 

[Napoleonbuck]

Here are some of his stats:

Doesn't seem like all that much of a difference to me...

I keep seeing M fans talk about how polished Tate is. I think they're going to be surprised when they see how raw he is. He's still a freshman that has no experience. He's not going to be able to make all the throws nor will be be incredibly accurate. I just hope they don't kill him when he's not a 70 percent passer after the first few games.

 

[NFBuck]

Here are some of his stats:

Those are just White's stats, not wvu as a whole.

from wikipedia...

With West Virginia his playcalling continued to center around the run.
2001: 355 passes vs. 474 runs (57% Run)
2002: 279 passes vs. 714 runs (72% Run)
2003: 252 passes vs. 600 runs (70% Run)
2004: 259 passes vs. 589 runs (69% Run)
2005: 193 passes vs. 625 runs (76% Run)
2006: 233 passes vs. 590 runs (72% Run)
2007: 265 passes vs. 628 runs (70% Run)

In 1997 with Tulane he called 366 passes vs. 424 runs (54% Run). In 1998 he called 375 passes vs. 518 runs (58% Run) with Tulane. In 1999 with Clemson he called 422 passes vs. 486 runs (54% Run).

He was much more balanced at Tulane/Clemson than he ever was at wvu. Tater is probably more reminiscent of what he had under center at Tulane.

 

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

What is the breakdown of "pass" vs "bubble screen?"

I'd be real interested to know....

 

[NFBuck]

What is the breakdown of "pass" vs "bubble screen?"

I'd be real interested to know....

I don't have the numbers, but from watching a good number of wvu games, I can say they didn't go downfield very often. Can't say for Tulane/Clemson, but Shaun King's college numbers indicate they did have a more conventional passing game.

 

[blueinfla]

What is the breakdown of "pass" vs "bubble screen?"

I'd be real interested to know....

Not that the spring game is a huge indicator of what is to come, but the screen pass was rarely seen. I can remember two. One , incomplete over the head of a pass rusher, and the other for a completion. But, he only attempted 13 passes, so take that for what it's worth.