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2009 TSUN arguments, shenanigans (not football)

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ysubuck;1494909; said:
Looking at the 2010 UM recruiting class and looking at their posts on other boards they are pumped up about these guys.

Gallon getting in has them talking about letting some of the other slot dots go because Gallon is such a talent.

My question for Buckeye fans is this:
Would you be excited if the roles were reversed and OSU was bringing in UM's class and vice versa?

I for one would be very worried about the talent level of the incoming class if I were a UM fan. If coach Tressel were bringing in loads of 3 star offensive "talent" I have a feeling that Buckeye fans would be slashing their wrists.

I understand that Rod is trying to recruit a certain athlete for a certain system, but I'm not seeing the "imagine the talent he'll bring in once he's at Michigan" comments coming to fruition. Stars mean nothing, I know.

Again, if UMs 2010 class was coming into Ohio State I think we'd all be scared stiff that Tress had lost his touch.

Thoughts?
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This is a serious question. I'm not flaming/trolling. Hasn't OSU put more players into the NFL than any other program this decade? The reason I bring this up is because Lloyd and UM were famous for this. They put talent in the NFL, but didn't accomplish much in college outside of the big ten. I hated that about UM. UM didn't develop their talent. I'm not saying OSU isn't developing their talent. Something is just not adding up. I'm curious as to what you level-headed buckeye fans have to say about this.
 
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ysubuck;1494909; said:
Looking at the 2010 UM recruiting class and looking at their posts on other boards they are pumped up about these guys.

Gallon getting in has them talking about letting some of the other slot dots go because Gallon is such a talent.

My question for Buckeye fans is this:
Would you be excited if the roles were reversed and OSU was bringing in UM's class and vice versa?

I for one would be very worried about the talent level of the incoming class if I were a UM fan. If coach Tressel were bringing in loads of 3 star offensive "talent" I have a feeling that Buckeye fans would be slashing their wrists.

I understand that Rod is trying to recruit a certain athlete for a certain system, but I'm not seeing the "imagine the talent he'll bring in once he's at Michigan" comments coming to fruition. Stars mean nothing, I know.

Again, if UMs 2010 class was coming into Ohio State I think we'd all be scared stiff that Tress had lost his touch.

Thoughts?
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Difference is you guys have been winning since Tressel got to OSU, We havent won a big ten title since 2004 and are coming off our worst season in school history. Tressel should be recruiting well! It's not the 3star offensive players I'm worried about, Rich is going to field very good offenses here at Michigan. The real question is can we recruit top defensive talent, if we want to be elite again we need the 4 and 5 star impact players on defense.
 
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YSU

The thing that would scare me most is unbalanced recruiting. I would want alot more defensive players rather than 10-12 skill position players.

The defensive recruiting would scare the shit out of me. The have no real linebackers in this class. Tweeners are not gonna help Michigan in the B10.

If Tressel recruited defense like RR does I would be pissed.

Defense will be RR demise at Michigan even more than his gimmick offense.
 
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goblue15;1494931; said:
Difference is you guys have been winning since Tressel got to OSU, We havent won a big ten title since 2004 and are coming off our worst season in school history. Tressel should be recruiting well! It's not the 3star offensive players I'm worried about, Rich is going to field very good offenses here at Michigan. The real question is can we recruit top defensive talent, if we want to be elite again we need the 4 and 5 star impact players on defense.
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I certainly share some of your concerns about the defense. However, Robinson does use a couple hybrid positions that utilize smaller size with a greater emphasis on speed. So, those positions won't be ranked as high because they don't really translate to the NFL. I do agree with you when it comes to positions like DT and ILB. UM does have some talented guys in Campbell and Martin at DT. We'll see how this class turns out, but I definitely concerned about the LB position.
 
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blueinfla;1494930; said:
This is a serious question. I'm not flaming/trolling. Hasn't OSU put more players into the NFL than any other program this decade? The reason I bring this up is because Lloyd and UM were famous for this. They put talent in the NFL, but didn't accomplish much in college outside of the big ten. I hated that about UM. UM didn't develop their talent. I'm not saying OSU isn't developing their talent. Something is just not adding up. I'm curious as to what you level-headed buckeye fans have to say about this.
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I'm reading this as you saying OSU has underachieved based on the level of talent we are putting into the NFL. I'll take you at your word you aren't trying to flame.

Read my sig line for the facts and show me someone who's been consistently better with a lot less NFL talent. UF has the 2 NC's in 3 years. Texas, USC, OU and OSU are the only BCS schools who have won over 80% of their games since 2001. No one else can even be in the conversation imo.

If you are going to use UF's 2 NC's to our 1 and say we are underachieving then you have to say the same about USC, Texas and OU.
 
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Jaxbuck;1494962; said:
I'm reading this as you saying OSU has underachieved based on the level of talent we are putting into the NFL. I'll take you at your word you aren't trying to flame.

Read my sig line for the facts and show me someone who's been consistently better with a lot less NFL talent. UF has the 2 NC's in 3 years. Texas, USC, OU and OSU are the only BCS schools who have won over 80% of their games since 2001. No one else can even be in the conversation imo.

If you are going to use UF's 2 NC's to our 1 and say we are underachieving then you have to say the same about USC, Texas and OU.
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I was just wondering how you guys felt about it. If you want to call it underachieving so be it. I would call what UM was doing underachieving. UM has had top talent for a long time, and nothing to show for it.

Perhaps it's the recent losses in the BCS which are clouding my memory about OSU. No doubt OSU has been successful in the big ten, and therefore, getting into BCS games. What is JTs record in those games? I think OSUs perception has taken a pretty big hit. Obviously not as bad as UMs has because of '08. However, down here in Florida, I never get hounded by SEC fans. Despite the 3-9 year, they know UM will be back and they remember UMs history against the SEC. I know JT is accomplished, but he has had great talent to do it with. I guess what I was asking was whether you guys felt OSU was underachieving. I feel like I'm rambling, but does that make sense?

I think USCs problem has been that they've been screwed by the BCS, probably more than any other team. However, they've dismantled their bowl opponent every year. Despite the lack of NCs, I would say they're the best program this decade and I'm sure many would agree.
 
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Hasn't OSU put more players into the NFL than any other program this decade?
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Not at quarterback. Switch OSU & USC's QB personnel (both of which are tied to their local talent), and you might get similar results.

Not at DT, the single biggest difference between the SEC & B10.

Not at OT. The best tackle OSU has had in the last 4 years went very late to the 49ers. The other was an overachiever (Barton). Browning wasn't suited for the position. Datish was better suited as an interior player. Now OSU is turning to two sophomores who missed much of their frosh year with injuries.

OSU's play at QB was their downfall vs Texas 05, PSU 05 & Florida 06. OSU's play at DT was a problem in many others, as well as OT.
Perhaps it's the recent losses in the BCS which are clouding my memory about OSU.
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As recently as the 2007 bowl season, folks treated anything before Jan 07 as irrelevant.
I guess what I was asking was whether you guys felt OSU was underachieving.
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OSU overachieved in 2006. That defense had no business keeping Texas out of the endzone (their only score came after a 3rd down stop and a bogus personal foul). They lost a ton of talent and replaced it with a lot of no-name players. As good as they played, UM & UF showed they weren't a great defense. That's an endorsement of my argument, imo.

OSU underachieved in Jan 07. Not because they lost, but because they didn't show up vs UF.

OSU overachieved in 07. They just had the misfortune of backing into the NC and doing so a year after being "exposed" in 06. The NC game went about as it should have according to talent. LSU simply had more, particularly their senior class. OSU's 03 class was abysmal, then 2/3 of it was lost to attrition, and 3 of its rare good players were gone to the NFL (2 before even the 06 season).

OSU probably played up to its ability in 08. They nearly went undefeated after having to scrap their QB and going with a limited frosh. They came 1 drive away from beating the true #2 team in the land, and did so with their starting QB unable to throw the ball (physically... not talking about his limitations as a passer) and their franchise back sitting out much of the 2nd half. Considering the upheaval needed to survive (Bob Griese can say whatever he wants, but OSU didn't have the personnel to keep Todd upright), and the division that ensued in the locker room (veterans vs frosh), I think last year was one of JT's better coaching efforts after USC (obviously not his finest outing).
 
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BuckeyeNation27;1494940; said:
it's the same joke. I'm not the one who's over using it, your coach is.
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Are you retarded? People commenting on your team's 50th offer to a scrawny fast kid to play the slot isn't my fault. If you don't want to keep hearing about it, maybe you should switch teams. It doesn't look like the midget parade is ending any time soon.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;1495297; said:
Are you retarded?
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Do you really need to ask? I'm surprised you did.

BuckeyeNation27;1495297; said:
People commenting on your team's 50th offer to a scrawny fast kid to play the slot isn't my fault. If you don't want to keep hearing about it, maybe you should switch teams. It doesn't look like the midget parade is ending any time soon.
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Every time I'm on here, I always see you pointing outs slots and midgets. I'm beginning to think you've got some fetish or something.
 
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I went back a couple months looking at all my posts, and I made 4 comments about slot guys....compared to I don't know how many about other things.

Again, if you're sick of Buckeye fans making fun of Michigan offers to slots (to the point where you can't even keep us straight), take it up with your head coach.
 
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