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2009 TSUN arguments, shenanigans (not football)

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biggiesmalls;1481738; said:
You cannot possibly be this dense can you?

Most schools recruit their talent from their own backyard.

The three biggest NFL talent producing states? You guessed it. California (199) , Florida (179) , and Texas (174). Oh, by the way, those also happen to be the first (California), second (Texas), and fourth (Florida) most populated states in the entire country.

How many NFL'ers hail from the state of West Virginia? A whopping FOUR.

And the point about West Virginia being a poor state has everything to do with this. The state of West Virginia doesn't have the population base or wealth to build 100,000 seat stadiums with state of the art practicing facilities for state sponsored Universities. That's a HUGE part of recruiting blue chip, NFL type talent high school kids. Most of them want to play for big-time programs with the best facilities at their disposal, and why would they not.
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Marshall has had 12 players drafted since the 2000 NFL draft. West Virginia has had 14. I am willing to bet that Marshall is at a much larger disadvantage when it comes to all of the things that you mentioned than WVU is and yet they have had comparable success putting kids into the NFL.

We'll have to agree to meet somewhere in the middle on this one. Sending players to the NFL is not all about your school's resources, but it helps, and sending kids to the NFL isn't all about player development, but it helps.

It will be fun to revisit this topic in a couple years... if Rodriguez is still coaching at tsun.
 
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biggiesmalls;1481738; said:
You cannot possibly be this dense can you?

Most schools recruit their talent from their own backyard.

The three biggest NFL talent producing states? You guessed it. California (199) , Florida (179) , and Texas (174). Oh, by the way, those also happen to be the first (California), second (Texas), and fourth (Florida) most populated states in the entire country.

How many NFL'ers hail from the state of West Virginia? A whopping FOUR.

And the point about West Virginia being a poor state has everything to do with this. The state of West Virginia doesn't have the population base or wealth to build 100,000 seat stadiums with state of the art practicing facilities for state sponsored Universities. That's a HUGE part of recruiting blue chip, NFL type talent high school kids. Most of them want to play for big-time programs with the best facilities at their disposal, and why would they not.

Links;

Georgia Sports Blog: Recruiting: Top States for Producing NFL Talent

List of U.S. states by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Care to respond to the point about Nehlen having more success getting players to the NFL?
 
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jwinslow;1481805; said:
Nothing to see here, move along.
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3074326;1481716; said:
Yes, I am aware that zone-blocking is used in the NFL with success. But arguing that Rich's particular system is the same as NFL systems is flawed IMO. NFL systems use NFL-sized linemen, and as someone else pointed out in the thread, Rich's system utilizes smaller linemen. The techniques of zone-blocking are (possibly, probably) the same, but I don't see a highly-regarded potential NFL left tackle talent going to Michigan (under Rodriguez) to prepare himself for NFL LT duties.
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That's not particularly true. RR will use any sized linemen he can get, they just have to be able to move. At WVU it was easier for him to get the short, small guys that no one wants. He is at least attempting to recruit some of the more prototypical guys like Henderson and Donnal.
 
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DontHateOState;1481956; said:
That's not particularly true. RR will use any sized linemen he can get, they just have to be able to move. At WVU it was easier for him to get the short, small guys that no one wants. He is at least attempting to recruit some of the more prototypical guys like Henderson and Donnal.
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when he sends out offers to 150+ people I don't know if you can give him credit for recruiting a specific type of player
 
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Buckeye86;1481979; said:
when he sends out offers to 150+ people I don't know if you can give him credit for recruiting a specific type of player
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Best Buckeye;1481984; said:
Sure he is .... breathing.
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Well to be more specific...he recruits human males under the age of 25 residing in the United States who are breathing. I mean lets not get carried away here. Its not like he'll offer just anyone.
 
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Jaxbuck;1481999; said:
Well to be more specific...he recruits human males under the age of 25 residing in the United States who are breathing. I mean lets not get carried away here. Its not like he'll offer just anyone.
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Don't sleep on Ontario. There has to be a slot up there < 5'10.
 
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OregonBuckeye;1476077; said:
Location: Pittsburgh Year: 2009 Height: 6-2 Weight: 256 40-Yard Dash: 5.22 Short Shuttle: 4.80 Vertical Jump: 25.0" 3-Cone: 7.98 Broad Jump: 9-3

He's a giant!
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He might not be very big, but I do like the 3-cone and the shuttle time, not bad for a 260 pound high school kid playing OL.

I really like the approach that Rodriguez is taking with the offensive line recruiting. I'd rather him take a 260-270 pound high school kid that can move and put 25-30 pounds on him than to take say a 330 pound high school kid like Alex Mitchell and ask him to lose 20+ pounds. You can put redshirt a kid at OL and put some weight on him and let him build strength, it works all of the time. The reverse however very rarely works out.
 
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