2009 tOSU QB discussion (official thread)

[bigdog3300]

and we loved the Hendrix offer better then we did the Montana offer. Is it more of the case we like the person who is not spurring us at the moment?

I do not think we are in desperate need for a QB in this class. It would be great if we got one, but not a must. MililaniBuckeye said it early on "we have Pryor for 2-3 years, Bauserman for 3 years and Guiton for four." If Guiton is a project, we have three years to work on it.

Lets look back and see what people were saying about Guiton... "I liked the film... welcome Kenneth!" or "Lists Kenny as one of the top unsigned players in the Houston area and says that whoever lands him will be getting a steal." or how about this "Hmmmmm, didn't we have success with an late committing (and out of nowhere) Elite 11 QB with dual threat skills about 7 years ago "

Like I've said before......if Pryor goes down with an injury, still don't think we need a backup? We can't keep thinking there's not a chance Pryor or Bauserman will get hurt, because you are then one play away from Guiton/Ohrian/Olterik/etc. from being in the game.

There also have been rumors about Bauserman looking to go elsewhere, likely a IAA school to play right away, a la Devlin.

I still say a QB is an absolute must, and it certainly seems the staff is looking at it that way with the way they've gone about recruiting the position.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

Like I've said before......if Pryor goes down with an injury, still don't think we need a backup?

What is the depth order for QBs? 1.Pryor 2.Bauserman 3.Guiton/Ohrian/Olterik? Isn't our backup Bauserman?

We can't keep thinking there's not a chance Pryor or Bauserman will get hurt, because you are then one play away from Guiton/Ohrian/Olterik/etc. from being in the game.

Where we stand now is that we are two plays away from Guiton playing. What College football program (besides maybe USC) can lose their starting quaterback and not be worried about depth after that? What program can lose QB #1 and #2 and not be worried?

I think we are getting off subject of Taylor Graham here.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Like I've said before......if Pryor goes down with an injury, still don't think we need a backup? We can't keep thinking there's not a chance Pryor or Bauserman will get hurt, because you are then one play away from Guiton/Ohrian/Olterik/etc. from being in the game.

And what good would a true freshman QB do us in 2010 when we will have a RS junior (Bauserman) and a RS frosh/true soph (Guiton) ahead of him? Point is that even if Pryor were to become unavailable, we'll still have two scholarship QBs on hand, so a true frosh QB (if we did take a QB this class) wouldn't likely be the one getting the call to replace Pryor.

A QB is a nice-to-have commodity this class, not an absolute-must.

 

[DontHateOState]

And what good would a true freshman QB do us in 2010 when we will have a RS junior (Bauserman) and a RS frosh/true soph (Guiton) ahead of him? Point is that even if Pryor were to become unavailable, we'll still have two scholarship QBs on hand, so a true frosh QB (if we did take a QB this class) wouldn't likely be the one getting the call to replace Pryor.

A QB is a nice-to-have commodity this class, not an absolute-must.

It isn't for next year. It's for a couple years from now when TP and Joe are gone, and you need a new starter. You want to have a guy who has been in the offense a few years. You don't want to have to start a true freshmen like OSU had to last season. Or even a RS freshmen like Braxton Miller could be if TP leaves after his Junior year. Make Braxton earn it by beating out someone instead of having him be the only viable candidate on the roster.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

if TP leaves after his Junior year. Make Braxton earn it by beating out someone instead of having him be the only viable candidate on the roster.

If TP leaves after his junior year we will still have a senior QB in Bauserman and Guiton as a Junior. I think those two would be viable candidates.

 

[DontHateOState]

If TP leaves after his junior year we will still have a senior QB in Bauserman and Guiton as a Junior. I think those two would be viable candidates.

I don't want to take Graham's thread too far off course, but if we ever have Ken Guiton as a starting QB here then we are in trouble. Bauserman would be a RS Senior; I missed that in my previous post. But after seeing Bauserman at the Spring Game, I am not so sure he is a viable candidate either.

QB is the most important position on the field, and OSU's numbers are dangerously thin at this point. Getting Graham would fix that right up.

 

[WiseBuck]

Rediculous

Not one of you has seen Kenny Guiton play and make rediculous observations that he couldn't do the job at QB. Tressell is like any other Head Coach, he wants depth at every position.

 

[Oh8ch]

Not one of you has seen Kenny Guiton play and make rediculous observations that he couldn't do the job at QB.

There are two related issues here that are taking us a bit off course. One is the recruitment of a legacy athlete who should and will be welcomed on his own merits. The second is the effectiveness of our QB recruiting.

If Graham were a CB or WR nobody would be questioning him. He would be one of may competing for a position and we would all be happy to have another good athlete in the mix.

But at QB we HAVE to know who will succeed Pryor and we have to know NOW - not two or three years from now when it will actually be an issue. And frankly, whatever you wish to say about Graham and his ability and potential, those who would argue his commitment (when/if it comes) is not a recruiting success story have a case. Guiton was not our first choice last year and Graham is at best our third choice this year. That is not me talking - it is the coaching staff by virtue of their offers. And I would agree that recruiting success can be measured by how well you do at landing your targets. QB recruiting the past two years has not been strong by that standard.

But all that means - all things being equal - is we might have a marginally better likelihood of success developing the raw material of a Montana or Hendrix than a Graham. And that is only true if the coaches guessed right in the first place. To infer that he can't be a successful QB makes as much sense as arguing Krenzel or Smith can't be as successful as a Schoenhoft or Henton.

So might I suggest that if we have comments about how well we are doing recruiting QBs we keep those in the general 2010 recruiting thread - http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/football-recruiting/609072-2010-tosu-recruiting-discussion.html - and focus this thread on Graham in his own right. Judging him not as an athlete who can contribute to the team but on his merits as the next Heisman winner at OSU is patently unfair.

All that said, I would submit that comments to date have been at worst yellowdiculous.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

It isn't for next year. It's for a couple years from now when TP and Joe are gone, and you need a new starter. You want to have a guy who has been in the offense a few years.

By the time Bauserman is gone (after the 2011 season) Guiton will have been in the system for three years, and Braxton (if we do get him) will have had a year heading into the 2012 season. So, for 2012 we'll have RS junior/true senior and a RS freshman/true sophomore on scholarship, not to mention an incoming 2012 recruit. If we don't get a QB this year, we can take two in the 2011 class or one each in 2011 and 2012 classes.

 

[TresselstillownsTSUN]

Unlike some I think we will be fine. Guiton is underrated among the fans, and I think Graham is a solid offer. As long as we land Miller we will be fine either way...

 

[DontHateOState]

By the time Bauserman is gone (after the 2011 season) Guiton will have been in the system for three years, and Braxton (if we do get him) will have had a year heading into the 2012 season. So, for 2012 we'll have RS junior/true senior and a RS freshman/true sophomore on scholarship, not to mention an incoming 2012 recruit. If we don't get a QB this year, we can take two in the 2011 class or one each in 2011 and 2012 classes.

And this is assuming Guiton turn out to be a legitimate prospect and not an emergency offer as his situation would foretell.

But we can't just look at bodies. We have to look at the talent level. And bringing in a good prospect like Graham is a must for this class. You cannot settle for projects like Guiton, and then hope to take two legitimate talents in the 2011 class. We seem to have a legitimate chance at Graham so you recruit the heck out of him now when the opportunity presents itself.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

You cannot settle for projects like Guiton

Why do you insist on continuing to refer to Guiton as a project?

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Just moved 27 posts out of the Graham thread to here...

 

[NightmaresDad]

The future's so bright at QB, we oughta wear shades.

The only up-in-the-air season is 2011 if TP goes pro.
And even then, we'll still have Bauserman who will have been around forever and will be about 30-something years old by then.

So we may have one season where we have a torch bearer in between Pryor and Miller.

Miller still has two years to develop at a very good program and will be ready by 2012 at the latest. Miller is gonna be really, really, really good, guys.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

If Graham were a CB or WR nobody would be questioning him. He would be one of may competing for a position and we would all be happy to have another good athlete in the mix.

If Graham were a WR, he, Guiton and Bauserman could play on the field at the same time. No one would question us getting three WRs in a recruiting class.

QB recruiting the past two years has not been strong by that standard.

Has it ever? (Pryor being the one exception) Have we ever wowed a QB recruit with the prospects of being the next in a line of great QBs? Does Jim Tressel go to a recruit and sell him on the dream of being the next Greg Fry, Bobby Hoying, Craig Krenzel, Mike Tomczak? Ohio State is down on the list for High School QB prospects to look at. They are looking at USC, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and even Notre Dame first. Ohio State falls in the second or third tier after the tradition QB schools.

I don't think it is fair to label the last two years (I assume you are counting this on going recruiting class in that) below standard as QB recruiting goes. Two years ago (three classes as recruiting seasons go) we landed the top recruit in the nation. What QB in last years class would want to sit behind Pryor when they could go other places and play sooner rather than later?