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2009 Scholarship Offers

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tlinc;1168008; said:
Not sure if this would qualify as premium info or not (please delete if so), but one of the Scout insiders who primarily covers SW Ohio is saying that he doesn't believe that DJ Hunter actually has a written offer from OSU.

If true, it makes a lot of sense. It would solve the mystery as to why he hasn't committed yet and why we are tied with Indiana for the lead. It might also better explain the offers to McDougald and Brown as DBs. Maybe they really are higher on OSU's board and Hunter is more of a plan B type that doesn't have an official offer yet.
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So it only makes sense for an Ohio prospect to hold an offer if he favors Ohio State? Come on. And why would the lack of offer to Hunter explain why more DBs were offered? I mean it's pretty apparent that more DBs were offered because A). Givens decommitted... B). wadc posted that there's smoke that junior DBs may be looking to declare early if they have a good season.

And does it make sense for OSU coaches to visit the kid twice this spring, if he didn't have an offer? Everything at this point points to Hunter having an offer, and it's up to the reporter to prove that he doesn't. And besides, most of the BPers would agree that Hunter's film is one of the more impressive ones, if not the most impressive among the uncommitted prospects. The debate about this is a non-issue at this point.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1168241; said:
So it only makes sense for an Ohio prospect to hold an offer if he favors Ohio State? Come on. And why would the lack of offer to Hunter explain why more DBs were offered? I mean it's pretty apparent that more DBs were offered because A). Givens decommitted... B). wadc posted that there's smoke that junior DBs may be looking to declare early if they have a good season.

And does it make sense for OSU coaches to visit the kid twice this spring, if he didn't have an offer? Everything at this point points to Hunter having an offer, and it's up to the reporter to prove that he doesn't. And besides, most of the BPers would agree that Hunter's film is one of the more impressive ones, if not the most impressive among the uncommitted prospects. The debate about this is a non-issue at this point.
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Well not really sure...I would be one that would love for him to have an offer and for him to be part of the class...The thing is that the silence was/is deafening and not real sure if there actually is an offer...

I think was tlnc kinda meant after the Givens decommit that some just figured we would go with Wood, Barnett, McGee, Vlad, and Hunter and maybe one more...But they seem to be pushing a couple more with Brown, McDougald, etc...

So most had been wondering where Hunter would fit...
 
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crazybuckfan40;1168292; said:
Well not really sure...I would be one that would love for him to have an offer and for him to be part of the class...The thing is that the silence was/is deafening and not real sure if there actually is an offer...

I think was tlnc kinda meant after the Givens decommit that some just figured we would go with Wood, Barnett, McGee, Vlad, and Hunter and maybe one more...But they seem to be pushing a couple more with Brown, McDougald, etc...

So most had been wondering where Hunter would fit...
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I still have no idea what you mean. Do you mean that the fact that Hunter hasn't committed is deafining? Then take a look at Cordell Scott. He never committed to OSU at all. Does that mean he never had an offer from osu? No.

The the OSU staff is pushing for Brown and Clarke and they just recently offered DcDongald, that doesn't mean they aren't pushing for Hunter and Banks. If your logic is correct, then the later offers must mean the staff is cooling on the prior offers, which simply isn't the case.

Hunter may go in several directions. But to say that he doesn't have an offer based on the fact that he hasn't committed or that one of our commits just decommitted is flat out ridiculous.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1168371; said:
I still have no idea what you mean. Do you mean that the fact that Hunter hasn't committed is deafining? Then take a look at Cordell Scott. He never committed to OSU at all. Does that mean he never had an offer from osu? No.

The the OSU staff is pushing for Brown and Clarke and they just recently offered DcDongald, that doesn't mean they aren't pushing for Hunter and Banks. If your logic is correct, then the later offers must mean the staff is cooling on the prior offers, which simply isn't the case.

Hunter may go in several directions. But to say that he doesn't have an offer based on the fact that he hasn't committed or that one of our commits just decommitted is flat out ridiculous.
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I tried to say that there was just something that didn't seem right about the Hunter recruitment that I couldn't put my finger on, nothing specific that I can explain so I understand how you may feel differently.

As for the offers, in my opinion, it has been Tressel's practice to make very firm offers to kids who are interested and who have been on campus and I haven't really seen him play the "5 offers first 2 to commit game," especially with in-state kids. Thus, even if you don't count the offers to longshot national guys like Gilmore, you are still left with offers to:

Bradley McDougald
Brandon McGee
Emilien
Clarke
Corey Brown

That is 5 offers (plus the 2 commits) to kids who have been to OSU at least once this spring/summer and who seem to have OSU on the top of their list.
If you add another in-state player from a Buckeye friendly area in Hunter to the list, it would make it seem like some of those other guys are competing for the same spot. Maybe that is true and this year has been different but in the past, Tressel hasn't done that, especially to in-state players. Just my opinion, but the list seems to make more sense without Hunter on it as an official offer.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1168371; said:
I still have no idea what you mean. Do you mean that the fact that Hunter hasn't committed is deafining? Then take a look at Cordell Scott. He never committed to OSU at all. Does that mean he never had an offer from osu? No.
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No the silence from his recruitment...When guy is in play you can usually have a good idea...From inside info from, from articles, etc...The fact that you never hear anything about Hunter other than an occassional article raised some red flags...This has no comparison to the Scott recruitment...Everyone knew he had an offer and everyone knew that he would wait to commit, and some on the inside even had a bad feeling about him...Totally different...The no offer info is not being made up by be because of him not committing...

The the OSU staff is pushing for Brown and Clarke and they just recently offered DcDongald, that doesn't mean they aren't pushing for Hunter and Banks. If your logic is correct, then the later offers must mean the staff is cooling on the prior offers, which simply isn't the case.
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Obviously they know who they want and we dont, but usually you can get a good feel by who they are really pushing for, and while we offered Clarke I am not sure how much we are pushing for him...Most would say we are only going after 6...Wood, Barnett, McGee, Brown, McDougald, and Vlad seem like the 6 right now...Leaving Banks, Hunter, and Clarke on the outside...

Hunter may go in several directions. But to say that he doesn't have an offer based on the fact that he hasn't committed or that one of our commits just decommitted is flat out ridiculous.
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Not sure where you are pulling this from...I never said that he doesn't have an offer because he hasn't committed yet...

Reread the post and you will see what I am saying...NOt being cryptic or anything...
 
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Good post crazy. I only have one minor disagreement. I actually think the staff is going after Clarke decently hard. He seems to be the type of smart, versatile, atheltic type of guy who Tressel loves. I am probably in the minority on this but I feel that if the 4 guys you mentioned (Vlad, McGee, McDougald and Brown) all commit and Clarke wants in as well, that we will take 7 DBs this year. (I think in the end, all 7 do in fact end up Buckeyes.)

I feel that way because:

-Some of these guys are versatile enough to move around
-We will need a lot of DBs with the Big 10 becoming an increasingly spread oriented conference
-I think Clifford may be on thin ice
-I think guys like Russell and Washington are stronger candidates to leave early than most realize.
-Tressel loves to load up on safeties for special teams and we took only 2 DBs last year.
-We have a ton of young quality at postions like LB, DE, OL, WR, QB, etc. while I think we are lacking a bit at DB.
 
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No the silence from his recruitment...When guy is in play you can usually have a good idea...From inside info from, from articles, etc...The fact that you never hear anything about Hunter other than an occassional article raised some red flags...This has no comparison to the Scott recruitment...Everyone knew he had an offer and everyone knew that he would wait to commit, and some on the inside even had a bad feeling about him...Totally different...The no offer info is not being made up by be because of him not committing...
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I still disagree with this logic. How many interviews does a kid have to give to reporters for the offer to be considered legit? There've been 2 updates on him in the last seven days. Come on man, how is that deafening?

Obviously they know who they want and we dont, but usually you can get a good feel by who they are really pushing for, and while we offered Clarke I am not sure how much we are pushing for him...Most would say we are only going after 6...Wood, Barnett, McGee, Brown, McDougald, and Vlad seem like the 6 right now...Leaving Banks, Hunter, and Clarke on the outside...
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That is true to some extent, but unless you are on the coaching staff, you can't say that you know who they are pushing for sure. Was the staff pushing for Orhian Johnson? I remember that many had him pegged as a plan B recruit who wasn't going to get an offer. And then boom, he commits. The fact that the coaches made the effort to offer Banks, Hunter and Clarke says that they wanted those players to be a part of this class at the time of the offering. It doesn't get simpler than that.

Let's just wait to hear from the horse's mouth before we speculate on circumstantial evidence. I mean that's all I'm sayin.
 
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Tresselbeliever;1168733; said:
I still disagree with this logic. How many interviews does a kid have to give to reporters for the offer to be considered legit? There've been 2 updates on him in the last seven days. Come on man, how is that deafening?



That is true to some extent, but unless you are on the coaching staff, you can't say that you know who they are pushing for sure. Was the staff pushing for Orhian Johnson? I remember that many had him pegged as a plan B recruit who wasn't going to get an offer. And then boom, he commits. The fact that the coaches made the effort to offer Banks, Hunter and Clarke says that they wanted those players to be a part of this class at the time of the offering. It doesn't get simpler than that.

Let's just wait to hear from the horse's mouth before we speculate on circumstantial evidence. I mean that's all I'm sayin.
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Jeez, what do we do here but speculate and give opinions? I mean it is not like it is some vicious rumor about the kid's character or anything negative at all. Some of us just suspect that maybe he misunderstood what a commitable written offer was. Obviously none of us are on the staff at OSU but we still give opinions and speculate on who will be in the class, etc. Isn't that what this whole thread is?

Dave Berk, who covers SW Ohio for Scout.com recently stated that he has been hearing for a while from different sources that Hunter never had a written offer and that he is now pretty sure that he in fact does not. Nevada, Bill Greene,wadc and the others have not denied his report which likely means either that it is true or that they don't know for sure one way or the other despite their great contacts. That is what my initial post on the subject was based upon, not just the interviews with Hunter.

I will add though that guys like McGee, Emilien, Hall, Berry, etc. have stated that they talk to the coaching staff multiple times each week. All we have heard from Hunter is that a coach stopped by his school once or twice. Obviously, all the info is just circumstantial at this point (and based in large part upon the reporting of Berk) but it is not so far fetched to think that maybe he doesn't have a written offer.
 
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