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Buckeye86
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I'm sure they got on their players when they were not performing up to their abilities, and perhaps they even belittled them, but at the end of the day the players formed lasting relationships with the above coaches because they knew that their coaches truly cared about what was best for them, both on the football field and off. Read what ex-Buckeye and ex-Wolverine players have to say about the above coaches, most viewed them as a second father. Rodriguez most certainly doesn't have that type of relationship with his players, and clearly doesn't try to or care to.SNIPER26;1230028; said:
I can tell you for sure that none of the coaches I mentioned never, ever had a player quit the team and go to their arch rival based on a lack of family values.
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SNIPER26;1230013; said:
I agree with you, lots of coaches use that tactic to some degree or another and I don't neccessarily think its a bad thing. Like everything else, its a matter of degree.
This just keeps coming up as a flash point because of the Boren situation.
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HINYG8
You never come back from Copperhead Road
SNIPER26;1230038; said:
It is true...he has. He writes about it in his book. He spoke of a time a player got a thoughtless penalty and as the kid came to the sideline JT told him "You are not worth those 15 yards".
And then he realized how inappropriate it is to attack a player when they are already down. They know what they did..they know it was bad..and there is no reason to further embarrass him in front of his teammates. It will just push the kid toward shutting down all together. The kid needed to learn something, he needed to be taught, not be attacked. But JT added that HE was the one who really needed to learn something out of that moment. To this day he remembers that event and takes care not to repeat it.
Contrast that with a coach who uses such tactics as their REGULAR approach to coaching his team..and I would say there is no comparison to be made..and no logical reason to include Tressel in discussions about belittling his players.
JT isn't perfect by any stretch, but there is certainly no reason to lump him into the list of coaches who 'teach' with insults and fear.
Of course there is also a quote on the wall in the OSU athletic offices from Heisman himself that says (paraphrased) it would be better to die as a young boy than fumble the football. :tongue2:
EDIT/DISCLAIMER: Please note I never said that management by fear isn't effective..it just isn't what JT is about. No reason to defend RR for it.. or say everone does it...it is just who he is and he makes it work for him. Different strokes...
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HailToMichigan
Maize and Blue Wahoo
And until that player tells us what he meant by that, I can't take it seriously. One player complaining about it doesn't make a trend. For every Pat White who doesn't like being yelled at, there's a Shaun King who does in fact look up to RR. For every disgruntled lineman who leaves to go home and play, there's a Tony Gibson who endured RR's methods at Glenville and hated them so much he now coaches with RR. RR gets in guys' faces, but he also makes good on practice wagers, doing pushups when the kickers achieve the goals he set for them. I see just as much positive reinforcement as negative coming from RR and his staff. I don't think it matters at all what form the negative reinforcement takes as long as 1) it helps them become better players and 2) standards are applied consistently so that praise is given when earned. And from what I've seen and read so far, both apply. And I also see zero evidence that RR's involvement and engagement with his players extends only as far as the sidelines - quite the opposite, in fact.Buckeye86;1230036; said:
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HINYG8
You never come back from Copperhead Road
HailToMichigan;1230066; said:
I hear you. Please know OSU fans can accept that duality..afterall...we worship at the shrine of Woody Hayes.
We just don't hear nearly as much about the off field stuff or the positive reinforcement. We do, however, hear a lot abot his cussing and aggression toward the players. We are also a selective audience..we hear the negative things at UM far better than we hear the good...
I don't think there is any need to defend RR....he is gruff and a bit colorful with his language..he has turned those qualities into tools that work for him and get results. It is perhaps different than JT, but there are many ways to skin the college football cat. Some kids will respond to that...others won't. Same goes at OSU..some kids will find motivation from JT's style..and others won't get it.
Which style is better? Depends on the athlete doesn't it? One way is not always better..it will depend on individual circumstances. As for which approach builds a better team..we will see.....
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SNIPER26;1230038; said:
You'd be hard-pressed to find any OSU player who has been coached by Tressel to say that Tressel has degraded any player at any time...
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sparcboxbuck;1230033; said:
HINYG8 said:I hear you. Please know OSU fans can accept that duality..afterall...we worship at the shrine of Woody Hayes.
We just don't hear nearly as much about the off field stuff or the positive reinforcement. We do, however, hear a lot abot his cussing and aggression toward the players. We are also a selective audience..we hear the negative things at UM far better than we hear the good...
I don't think there is any need to defend RR....he is gruff and a bit colorful with his language..he has turned those qualities into tools that work for him and get results. It is perhaps different than JT, but there are many ways to skin the college football cat. Some kids will respond to that...others won't. Same goes at OSU..some kids will find motivation from JT's style..and others won't get it.
Which style is better? Depends on the athlete doesn't it? One way is not always better..it will depend on individual circumstances. As for which approach builds a better team..we will see.....
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We don't care if, tomorrow, Rich Rodriguez adopts a puppy from an animal shelter, pulls a kitten down from a tree, rescues a baby from a well, stops by the hospital to give blood, bone marrow, and a kidney, helps an old lady cross the street, wins four gold medals in Beijing, lowers oil prices, brings peace to the middle east, solves the worlds emissions problems, and finds a cure for cancer.
He is the current head coach of Michigan, and that makes him a g@& d*#& mother*#@$(%^ cock&*$#^@! asshole as far as we on BP are concerned.
Deal with it.
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We don't care if, tomorrow, Rich Rodriguez adopts a puppy from an animal shelter, pulls a kitten down from a tree, rescues a baby from a well, stops by the hospital to give blood, bone marrow, and a kidney, helps an old lady cross the street, wins four gold medals in Beijing, lowers oil prices, brings peace to the middle east, solves the worlds emissions problems, and finds a cure for cancer.
He is the current head coach of Michigan, and that makes him a g@& d*#& mother*#@$(%^ cock&*$#^@! asshole as far as we on BP are concerned.
Deal with it.
Thank you. Have a nice day. :)
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HailToMichigan
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Try and keep your expectations to a reasonable level, will you?Dryden;1230111; said:
Also what if the old lady is Jim Tressel's mother?
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