2008 tOSU WR discussion (official thread)

[cjmik_75]

I dont think i recall seeing anyone state that Indiana, Michigan St., or Illinois had better receiving corps..

And to say James Hardy is equal to Robiskie at best just doesnt make sense to me.. Hardy is likely the first WR taken in the draft this year, and was the best WR in the B10 in 2007

you didn't?

Really?

1)We can argue about Robo's draft stock all day... but i didnt hear any announcers call him a first rounder.. Kiper was on his bandwagon for a few weeks following some early season performances, but by the end of the year i didnt hear anybody talkin about Robiskie as a first rounder..

2)You do realize Malcolm Kelly is entering the draft, as are Manningham and Arrington? And we can argue about the best 1-2 last yr, but i would take Manningham and Arrington anyday over Robiskie and Hartline... And last season I would have taken James Hardy, Mario Manningham, and Devin Thomas over Robiskie.. You could also make an argument that Arrelious Benn will surpass Robo as the best WR in the B10 in 2008

3)As u said, u need to look beyond the numbers.. Robiskie had a far more impressive sophomore campaign working as the #3 than did Ray Small

once again you missed the point maybe you should head to another board like scout.com if you want to degrade buckeyes on the current roster especially one that passed on the NFL to come back and play at Ohio State.

Sorry for the tone but Robo isn't getting beat up in this thread w/o my point as to why he should be treated with a little more respect around here.

 

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

Crabtree is good. 6'3" 205lbs. He also gets a heck of a lot of passes he takes for long gains. I guess to help Robiskie get the numbers that Crabtree has, we can ask Beanie Wells to transfer and go to a pass only attack.

Texas Tech's Graham Harrell completed 512 of 713 passes for 5705 yards.
Todd Boeckman completed a whole 191 of 299 passes for 2,379 yards.

It's nice to compare players by stats and say that it'd be great if we had a player like so and so. They play in different offensive schemes. Crabtree will also be a sophomore.

Your arguments suck.

...but you can completely dismiss those numbers because of that?

 

[osugrad21]

you didn't?

Really?




once again you missed the point maybe you should head to another board like scout.com if you want to degrade buckeyes on the current roster especially one that passed on the NFL to come back and play at Ohio State.

Sorry for the tone but Robo isn't getting beat up in this thread w/o my point as to why he should be treated with a little more respect around here.

He said he had other players over Robo...not complete WR corps.

...and again, there is a difference in discussion and bashing.

 

[osugrad21]

For everyone bashing Cty4, Rivals early breakdown (posted by MDBuckeye this morning) also says tOSU has to find "true playmakers" at WR.

Robo is a solid WR and nobody has denied that.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Robo is teh best evar.

 

[jwinslow]

1) crabtree has been a big time wr for years, before ttech. Watch the kid play.

2) I think 28 and cty are both a bit extreme when it comes to robiskie and the draft. He was not a consensus first rounder, but certainly included in enough mocks (both in the 1st and as a bubble guy) that neither extreme is very fair.

3) I'd like to see what kind of production hartline would put up with Troy... Even moreso with Ginn or Holmes commanding more attention than injured robo. With troy's accuracy and ability to buy time while still looking downfield, I believe he'd register a lot more hard-nosed possession catches. He also had an easy TD to open the UM game when todd grossly underthrew him

True on all points.

In reality, we are all spoiled after the last decade...

Not sure it can be said better than this. Four years of first round wrs, 2-3 lined up together since 03.

I don't think we ever saw the wash TD explosion later in the year. Were the weak jumps during the purdue & ill ints a lack of effort/execution... caused by the injury... Or a lil of both?

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Even moreso with Gibb or Holmes commanding more attention...

Which one is Teddy?

 

[BUCKYLE]

[quote='BusNative;109957;6]Which one is Teddy?

[/quote]

Easy on jwins, I think he came down with the "night fever".

 

[jwinslow]

blasted blackberry!!!1!1

 

[matcar]

There's a CB on Washington's roster that would disagree with you...

Yeah, that's where I measure talent...a U-Dub DB... Robo isn't a burner...it's OK to acknowledge that and still know he's a great talent.

 

[Taosman]

Robo is our best WR. But not a burner.
He needs help from the other guys.
Hartline seemed to dissappear at times. Don't know why. Separation issues?
Small is still learning the trade. Not there yet.
What happened to the other guys?
Some new QB issues hurt here also.
Bottom line there was much youth. They didn't do badly for their first year as fulltimers.
Expect improvement this year.

 

[RB07OSU]

Robiskie is a great WR that is capable of hitting a big play every now and then. He is a WR who can beat you in many ways. However, I miss the days of Tedddy Ginn at WR...he may not have had overwhelming statistics, but many of our other WR's did, in part, because Ginn would beat anyone 1 on 1 if they didn't double him. I think either of Thomas or Posey could possibly bring this type of attention to our WR unit. I've got to agree with MatCar...Robo wasn't burning anyone the last 3 games of the year, though Boeckman couldn't hit him even if he did get open. I think Robo could be that playmaker regardless of speed, and he has the tools, but he definetly has to prove it on a higher level than he has. Beating on Washington and Youngstown State is wonderful but let's see how he does against USC. I also think if Small puts it together, he has the speed to be a "gamebreaker" and help the other WR's be effective. If not, both of Posey and Thomas could certainly have an impact this year. In any event, I think our WR unit is going to be pretty darn tough this year, especially if Ballard and Nicol continue to progress.

 

[bukIpower]

I see what you're saying about being physical, but run blocking and beating a press off the ball are really unrelated. The basis of run blocking is staying on your guy, while the basis of beating a press is getting away from your guy. Technique is equally important in both aspects, yet are completely different.

I think they're very much related? anyone else care to chime in on this one... I for one think they're very much related. In high school for instance our recievers ran the same run blocking/beating press coverage in the same drill. Look at Gamble, Look at Teddy Ginn or hell you could look at the WR from the patriots Brown who had to play DB as well. They can go either way. We're a poor press coverage wideout group for some reason no getting around that, but with the physical Stoneburner/Posey coming in that should get much better. Also I agree with what is being said about Robo to an extent.

IMO, I would myself take Manningham, D.Thomas, Benn, and possibly Arrington over Robo. However, lets not forget that Boeckman like stated couldn't find Robo to save his life late in the year...

How many times did we hear an announcer say "Boy, had boeckman looked left he had a streaking wide open...." I think if Boeckman played close to his abilities in the last 4 games Robo ends the season with some pretty eye popping numbers for a 1st year starter (I don't consider being the #3 option in 06 a starter).

Next year we have a lot to be excited about but IMO we are not going to strike the fear of god into opposing teams... The only reason next years group is going to put up good number (and they will, because I think so) is because the running game to be honest is going to be SICK!

Call me crazy but I'm just not crazy about Hartline as our #2 option... I would like hartline like the Colts used Gonzo this year. The in the slot guy who makes the catches on 3rd down, and thats really it. I like Robo as the go to guy, because he can get deep and he catches well in traffic. However, give me Robo/Posey/Hartline/Washington as my order any day of the week over Robo/hartline/Small/Sanzo. I really liked washingtons size and speed combo and I would like to see more of him.

Does anyone else think that our #1/#2 options are kind of too similiar?? I mean they're both tall, above average speed, play well as possesion guys... We need to be more diverse at reciever. Have a guy who can slash and juke, have a guy who can go deep over the middle, have a guy who's big and powerful. Thats why the 06 group to me was so talented... Sure, Troy Smith was great but he was only great because he also had a plethora of talent to throw to. You had ginn with the burners, you had the abilities of Gonzo underneath weaving in and out of people, and then you had Roy hall who was a bull of a reciever. Look at the patriots too.... Deep threat in Moss, underneath guy in Welker, and a intermediate guy in the guy from tennessee (name slips me but I wanna say stallewell)

I also think everyones got great arguements and there's no reason to personally attack any of our posters... remember it's not like he's saying Robo is worthless... He just in his opinion would rather have certain other players.

GO BUCKS!

 

[MUBuck]

I think they're very much related? anyone else care to chime in on this one... I for one think they're very much related. In high school for instance our recievers ran the same run blocking/beating press coverage in the same drill.

I'm not following. You're telling me that in high school, your receivers practiced blocking someone until the end of the play, and that was equivalent to getting open? Again, I know what you mean about the similarity in being physical, but the same thing can be said for a lot of other aspects as well. To get off a press, you can try to juke, swim, rip, etc. In blocking, the wideout can block the guy in front of him, crack down on an LB, or try to get a piece of the safety. There really isn't that much that is similar between blocking and getting off a press (except being physical).

 

[bukIpower]

exactly.. I never said they're the same techinique at all. It's that the WR's are being physically challenged whether thats blocking or trying to get off press. Why do we struggle PHYSICALLY to get off the press when our recievers are use to being physical VIA the run? I never said the tech's were the same I think you read into it differently than I'd intended thats all...