2008 SEC Discussion

[Gandolf]

I'd say most of those are pretty damn accurate.

But to put it into perspective Brandon Saine ran a 4.29 at around 40 pounds heavier than Rainey.

And keep in mind that Saine ran the fastest HS 200m time in the country as a junior and was 3rd and 6th respectively in the 60m and 100m. These are based off of his official times in electronically timed meets. If you think there's a half dozen people on FL's team that are as fast or faster than him then I want to get some of the stuff you're smoking.

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[BB73]

si.com

Quarterback questions prevail around Southeastern Conference


HOOVER, Ala. (AP) -- Steve Spurrier is hoping Tommy Beecher can shut South Carolina's revolving door at quarterback. Auburn's Tommy Tuberville isn't used to having a full-fledged quarterback battle going into August.

Outside of Florida with Tim Tebow and Georgia with Matthew Stafford, it's a common issue facing Southeastern Conference coaches these days. At least seven are either seeking a No. 1 quarterback or preparing to start a new one.

Spurrier proclaimed Beecher the starter after spring practice and said Friday at SEC media days that he has told the junior that he doesn't need to worry about getting yanked for throwing an interception or two.

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[bkochmc]

Thank God someone said something. I agree with you. In the following article some of the Gators are claiming that Jeff Demps (who is the fastest teenager EVER in track and field and probably the 5th or 6th fastest person right now on the PLANET) isn't even the fastest person on their team. Now I know the 100m isn't the same race as the 40yd dash, but come the fuck on. They'd have you believe that a guy who runs an officially timed 10.01 in the 100m is middle of the pack on their team in speed. This is more typical SEC Mythology.

Meyer: Rainey outran Demps | GatorSports.com | The Gainesville Sun | Gainesville, FL

Don't blow Demps's speed out of proportion... he is definitely the fastest American high schooler in history now but I can name at least 15 guys faster in the 100m than him. Heck, he finished last in his heat in the Olympic Trials semi-finals (I was rooting for him to make the finals... would have been neat to see a high schooler do that).

If you have ever watched one of his races he gets stronger as the race goes on... he is very strong in the last 30-40 meters. Rainey beating Demps in a 40yd race is not far fetched at all, especially if Rainey is very explosive over the first 10-15 yards.

 

[Taosman]

Is Demps really a football player or just a track guy in uniform? I know Rainey is a football player.

 

[bkochmc]

Is Demps really a football player or just a track guy in uniform? I know Rainey is a football player.

I'll defer to the more football knowledgeable on the board for his football potential though it is obvious he has a great deal of talent to garner a scholarship from the Gators. I do know he has tremendous potential on the track if he were to pursue it.

 

[Gandolf]

Don't blow Demps's speed out of proportion... he is definitely the fastest American high schooler in history now but I can name at least 15 guys faster in the 100m than him. Heck, he finished last in his heat in the Olympic Trials semi-finals (I was rooting for him to make the finals... would have been neat to see a high schooler do that).

If you have ever watched one of his races he gets stronger as the race goes on... he is very strong in the last 30-40 meters. Rainey beating Demps in a 40yd race is not far fetched at all, especially if Rainey is very explosive over the first 10-15 yards.

Bro, there's no need to blow his speed out of proportion. He ran a 10.01 in the 100m in an electronically timed meet. Those 40yd dash times aren't official. Rainey's best time in the 100m was 10.61. Now, I ran HS track and know that you will almost never lose a race with that kind of time. But .60 seconds in the 100m is an eternity. Sure, some guys start and/or finish better than others. But, I don't think it's very realistic that Demps would have the speed to blow Rainey out of the water in a 100m by .60 seconds after starting the first 40 yds of the race behind him. To run a 10.01 you have to have a good start right out of the blocks AND finish strong.

 

[BB73]

Bro, there's no need to blow his speed out of proportion. He ran a 10.01 in the 100m in an electronically timed meet. Those 40yd dash times aren't official. Rainey's best time in the 100m was 10.61. Now, I ran HS track and know that you will almost never lose a race with that kind of time. But .60 seconds in the 100m is an eternity. Sure, some guys start and/or finish better than others. But, I don't think it's very realistic that Demps would have the speed to blow Rainey out of the water in a 100m by .60 seconds after starting the first 40 yds of the race behind him. To run a 10.01 you have to have a good start right out of the blocks AND finish strong.

I believe he was referring to the 'right now on the PLANET' portion of your previous comment as being 'out of proportion', and he gave evidence as to why it was.

Demps (who is the fastest teenager EVER in track and field and probably the 5th or 6th fastest person right now on the PLANET)

 

[bkochmc]

I believe he was referring to the 'right now on the PLANET' portion of your previous comment as being 'out of proportion', and he gave evidence as to why it was.

BB73 hit the nail on the head... my point was that it is not out of the realm of possibility that someone like Rainey could (and evidently did) beat a sprinter like Demps. Now, if by PLANET Gandolf means BuckeyePlanet, then I'll agree with him.

Bro, there's no need to blow his speed out of proportion. He ran a 10.01 in the 100m in an electronically timed meet. Those 40yd dash times aren't official. Rainey's best time in the 100m was 10.61. Now, I ran HS track and know that you will almost never lose a race with that kind of time. But .60 seconds in the 100m is an eternity. Sure, some guys start and/or finish better than others. But, I don't think it's very realistic that Demps would have the speed to blow Rainey out of the water in a 100m by .60 seconds after starting the first 40 yds of the race behind him. To run a 10.01 you have to have a good start right out of the blocks AND finish strong.

There is a world of difference between a 40 yard dash and a 100m dash... a 40 is all about explosiveness to get to your top speed quick. A 100m is run with a drive phase for 50-70 meters to build up that maximum speed. The difference: Being able to create and maintain that speed 2.5 times longer takes much more strength.

As an example of what I was talking about here is a video of Demps in this year's Florida state final (lane 4):
B 100 Final 01 100 | 2008 Florida State 3A Championships on Flotrack
The first 15 meters or so he's behind most of the field but from 40 meters on he puts distance between himself and his competition because of his strength. I've seen a couple other of his races very similar to that video.

With that said he does have a good start at times... check out the video of the Olympic Trial semi-finals (his race starts at the 2 minute mark):
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV8SPIYs9t8"]YouTube - Olympic Trials Mens 100 Semifinal 1&2 2008 USA Track & Field[/ame]
He's step for step with everyone for the first 30-40 meters... with these videos we can conclude that he was not very consistent with his starts last year. Given the vast differences in the two races we can then conclude that it is not out of the realm of a decent possibility that an athlete like Rainey (or Harvin or Malcolm Jenkins or... name any quick football player) could beat Demps in a 40.

Now with all that said... who cares? Both kids are damn fast and it's just something for us to talk about until August 30 gets here. As far as this forum is concerned if they don't perform on the field then this talk of who-beat-who in the 40 means jack.

And Gandolf... don't take this post personal... I was bored and got a little carried away with the track talk tonight. :)

 

[Gatorubet]

What I like is the thought of a four or five wide no-huddle set with Demps Thompson Harvin and Rainey and Cooper It keeps the defense from crowding the box, which should allow Tebow high percentage conversions on third and two or three. Get too aggressive and he can dink a little pass to one of the race horses and look out.

It requires a disciplined defense to defend that. Like Spurrier's system when he hit the SEC, the spread gets some success from lots of defenses not seeing it. As more teams go to it, more DCs will figure it out until the next big thing. The fun-n-gun is not so scary now, and the spread will be a threat for a few more years until it gets old. Ultimately, the personnel will decide the deal.

 

[Gandolf]

Gonna have to agree to disagree here. I wasn't aware so many professional track stars had gone under 10 seconds this year so maybe the 5-6 should have been more like 15 or so but my point still remains. I just find it highly suspect that Demps isn't the fastest player on the Florida team and also that Saine, who was ranked 3rd in the nation in the 60m (again, not the 40yd dash but a pretty similar race) would be just middle-of-the-pack in terms of speed on Florida's team.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

ESPN - SEC clears Powe to play, three years after signing with Rebels - College Football

It took him over 3 years to get into freaking Ole Miss! And this was a top recruit so you know they did everything they possibly could.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

Gonna have to agree to disagree here. I wasn't aware so many professional track stars had gone under 10 seconds this year so maybe the 5-6 should have been more like 15 or so but my point still remains. I just find it highly suspect that Demps isn't the fastest player on the Florida team and also that Saine, who was ranked 3rd in the nation in the 60m (again, not the 40yd dash but a pretty similar race) would be just middle-of-the-pack in terms of speed on Florida's team.

40 times and 100m times are completely different things. Hell, I shaved 2 tenths of a second off of my 40 time just by changing technique.

And in my original post, I wasn't even trying to say that Saine would a middle of the pack speedster if he was on Florida's squad... I'm probably one of Saine's biggest supporter since we're from the same hometown, my point was that Saine ran a 40 .05 tenths of a second slower than Rainey did when he was 40 pounds heavier.. thats a feat worth meantioning.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

ESPN - SEC clears Powe to play, three years after signing with Rebels - College Football

It took him over 3 years to get into freaking Ole Miss! And this was a top recruit so you know they did everything they possibly could.

He has learning disabilities that are well documented and his Mom was quoted as saying that he couldn't read way back when, its been a hard road for him. This isn't your average SEC player gets helped into school by the program, this is a feel good story about a kid with learning disabilities busting his ass to play the game he loves.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

He has learning disabilities that are well documented and his Mom was quoted as saying that he couldn't read way back when, its been a hard road for him. This isn't your average SEC player gets helped into school by the program, this is a feel good story about a kid with learning disabilities busting his ass to play the game he loves.

Thanks for the info. Good for him then.

 

[Buckeneye]

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I myself would have to go with Stanford, I mean - a whole campus vs Tebow;


I'm not so sure Superman could hold upto that.