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2008 Football Rumblings

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MililaniBuckeye;1271618; said:
I thought it was the false start call on Boone on first and goal at the USC 5 yard line that was supposedly bogus...
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Some who watched it say the defender made a spin move and slipped and there was no hold. Of course it would LOOK like a takedown at some angles.

ShakerBuck;1271627; said:
whether it was a bogus call or not, the action that he took made the TD possible, otherwise boeckman gets hit and this is a moot point.

Its not like it was a holding call away from the play. it made the execution possible.
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That wasn't the point. Not to mention, as I explained above, that isn't necessarily true.

Oneshot;1272191; said:
I'm sorry... When did Ben Person improve our line? I think we must have been watching separate games...

boone, cordle, brewster, browning, shugarts.
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Last week when he graded out as the best OL? (I believe that was the case).
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life;1272215; said:
Last week when he graded out as the best OL? (I believe that was the case).
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Cordle was named the "Jim Parker Offensive Lineman of the Week". Not sure how the grading system plays into that, but I'd guess it plays a big part. Person continuing to start make me wonder about the development of the backups. He is still causing false starts like he did last year. I've noticed that when he does fulfill his assignments, he doesn't exactly execute as he should. For example, on a play against Troy when he pulled to block the WLB, he turned the block back to the inside, which made Herron change directions, when he should have had a straight shot into open space. Still resulted in a good gain, but could have been much better. At this point, I'm wondering why Connor Smith hasn't been given more of a chance, but I don't see them in practice.
 
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generaladm;1272256; said:
Cordle was named the "Jim Parker Offensive Lineman of the Week". Not sure how the grading system plays into that, but I'd guess it plays a big part. Person continuing to start make me wonder about the development of the backups. He is still causing false starts like he did last year. I've noticed that when he does fulfill his assignments, he doesn't exactly execute as he should. For example, on a play against Troy when he pulled to block the WLB, he turned the block back to the inside, which made Herron change directions, when he should have had a straight shot into open space. Still resulted in a good gain, but could have been much better. At this point, I'm wondering why Connor Smith hasn't been given more of a chance, but I don't see them in practice.
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Again, not sure but I'm pretty sure he graded out well last week. The "Jim Parker" Award though does mean he had the highest grade (Cordle) so good point.

We can all point out a missed assignment (or two) from any week so far.

With all that said I don't want to seem like a "Person apologist." He could stand to improve (as most could) and all I was stating was if Rehring came back and Brewster stayed at center that the right guard spot would still be a "battle."
 
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ShakerBuck;1271627; said:
whether it was a bogus call or not, the action that he took made the TD possible, otherwise boeckman gets hit and this is a moot point.

Its not like it was a holding call away from the play. it made the execution possible.
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I don't think that is accurate...the USC player was off-balance because of his own spin move into a group of large men. He fell off balance, and was going to have zero impact on the play. The awkwardness of the the defensive player, caused the official to think Person MUST be holding, when in actuality, Person could have kept his hands off of him and watched him fall flat on his face. It was a brutal call.
 
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Ohio State football: What the USC loss means for the Buckeyes

by Doug Lesmerises Friday September 26, 2008, 7:01 AM


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APHow did USC coach Pete Carroll go from this ...
What the USC loss to Oregon State means for Ohio State and the national title picture: * It's the first step toward BCS chaos, and that should benefit Ohio State. The team everyone had ticketed for a national title game spot just lost to an unranked team. Can Ohio State reach the national title game as a result? I still say no. The Buckeyes would need USC to lose again and the contenders in the SEC and Big 12 to lose twice as well, in my opinion.
* The team that beat Ohio State by 32 just lost to an unranked team. That cannot make the Buckeyes look good. The idea that this USC team was one of the best of the Pete Carroll era and dominated an Ohio State team without Beanie Wells - that was an explanation for a blowout that's out the window now. The Buckeyes were mashed by a team that turned around and looked just as confused in the first half Thursday night. A bad Buckeye loss is now worse.
* You know who looks great? Penn State. The same week the Nittany Lions suspended one of their best defensive players, they thumped Oregon State by 31. You beat 45-14 the team that beat USC? Impressive.

* That in turn will help the Big Ten.

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With Wells' return, OSU looking to be offensive threat

By JON SPENCER ? Gannett News Service ? September 26, 2008

COLUMBUS - Jim Cordle has started at center and guard this season for the Ohio State football team, which makes him as much of an expert as anyone when it comes to the Buckeyes' offensive versatility.

He has three words of advice for OSU opponents from this day forward: Pick your poison.
For the first time today, tailback Chris "Beanie" Wells and freshman quarterback Terrelle Pryor will be in the starting lineup together when the 13th-ranked Buckeyes (3-1) entertain surprising Minnesota (4-0) in the Big Ten opener.
Wells, a Heisman Trophy candidate until felled by a mysterious foot injury, will be playing for the first time since getting hurt in the opener against Youngstown State. If he resumes his role as the Buckeyes' No. 1 threat, then Pryor, who threw four touchdown passes this past week in his starting debut, is no worse than 1-A.
"Who are you going to defend?" Cordle said, playing offensive coordinator. "With Beanie back we can do two different things where the defense has to prepare for both - an inside run and a spread attack.
"(The spread) gives us another dimension to go with our regular formation, where we have a tight end and fullback in there to pound the ball. It leaves the offense wide open to do so many things."
An option pitch from Pryor to the 237-pound Wells perhaps? That would be novel, not to mention intriguing. Or how about a quick handoff to Wells out of the "pistol," the Buckeyes' sawed-off shotgun formation? Or maybe a play-action pass to a receiver left wide open by a defender biting on the prospect of Pryor tucking and running?
The possibilities are endless, provided head coach and de facto coordinator Jim Tressel rolls up the sleeves under his sweater vest and infuses some creativity into his gameplan.
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OSU notebook: Offensive line gets earful

Friday, September 26, 2008 4:34 AM
By Ken Gordon


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH


Through three games, coach Jim Tressel thought Ohio State was playing too cautiously, almost tentative, afraid to make a mistake. That's why he made himself to assistant offensive line coach last week and has been hollering at the linemen ever since.
"I think you're looking for them to let loose, not question what they're doing and not be sitting in a stance worried about a mistake," Tressel said. "Sometimes I think when a lot is expected of you, sometimes you try not to err and try to be too careful. Because you always talk about penalties are a problem, and missed assignments are a problem, and turnovers are a problem.
"And sometimes everything is a problem and so you don't do anything with the vigor that you should do it."
He said he saw improvement in a 28-10 win over Troy. "I thought we played a little faster," he said.
Tressel also stressed that he would not limit that problem to the offensive line. He said his coaching the line has been "a little bit overblown; I only do it like five minutes a day."
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Tressel said tailback Chris "Beanie" Wells continues to look good in practice, although he cautioned not to expect a "30-carry Beanie" this week against Minnesota.
Left guard Steve Rehring might return from a sprained left foot as soon as next week, after which the Buckeyes will have to decide who sits down: Rehring, new center Michael Brewster; or former center Jim Cordle, now playing left guard.
Backup guard Kyle Mitchum has recovered from a preseason injury and will add depth to the line. Defensive tackle Todd Denlinger (ankle sprain) played sparingly last week and will be limited again Saturday.
Also, Tressel said receivers coach Darrell Hazell thinks he has been playing Brian Robiskie and Brian Hartline too much. Hazell plans to rotate receivers more freely this week.
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Through three games, coach Jim Tressel thought Ohio State was playing too cautiously, almost tentative, afraid to make a mistake.


I'm sorry, but I think that comes from the very top because the players pick up that vibe from their head coach. Going back to past seasons, how often have any of you heard the word velocity used by Tressel to explain bad performance? Sorry but I just see a trend here... I love Tressel, however I think he needs to look at himself when it comes to "velocity"


Don't get me started about "execution"
 
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amybuckeye;1272349; said:
Through three games, coach Jim Tressel thought Ohio State was playing too cautiously, almost tentative, afraid to make a mistake.

I'm sorry, but I think that comes from the very top because the players pick up that vibe from their head coach. Going back to past seasons, how often have any of you heard the word velocity used by Tressel to explain bad performance? Sorry but I just see a trend here... I love Tressel, however I think he needs to look at himself when it comes to "velocity"


Don't get me started about "execution"
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In my view, this doesn't come from the coaches, but the senior leaders and team captains -- the ones responsible for organizing all the team activities during the off season, the 7 on 7s, when the coaches were in their hands off period. As has been debated ad nauseum on this site over the past month, the kids aren't playing with passion. This OSU roster, on paper, is as talented as any in OSU's history. 90% of the players on the roster were recruited by Southern Cal or Florida or LSU or Michigan or so forth ... the problem isn't material, and we know what this staff can do when their message does get across, so I don't think it's fair to hang it all on the coaches.

Now, maybe the coaches are guilty of being too slow to recognize the problem, but motivation ultimately has to come from the players themselves. I think Tressel makes a point, and its compounded by recent comments from Boone. This is an experienced team that has had two national titles undone due to injuries, complacency, and self-inflicted mistakes. The result is a bunch of guys that are running around half speed because they don't want to get hurt, while they're thinking too hard about not committing the big mistake that'll lose a game.

Is it a coincidence that all the on-field nastiness exhibited this season is from the underclassmen that haven't been around for the losses?
 
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Dryden;1272384; said:
In my view, this doesn't come from the coaches, but the senior leaders and team captains -- the ones responsible for organizing all the team activities during the off season, the 7 on 7s, when the coaches were in their hands off period. As has been debated ad nauseum on this site over the past month, the kids aren't playing with passion. This OSU roster, on paper, is as talented as any in OSU's history. 90% of the players on the roster were recruited by Southern Cal or Florida or LSU or Michigan or so forth ... the problem isn't material, and we know what this staff can do when their message does get across, so I don't think it's fair to hang it all on the coaches.

Now, maybe the coaches are guilty of being too slow to recognize the problem, but motivation ultimately has to come from the players themselves. I think Tressel makes a point, and its compounded by recent comments from Boone. This is an experienced team that has had two national titles undone due to injuries, complacency, and self-inflicted mistakes. The result is a bunch of guys that are running around half speed because they don't want to get hurt, while they're thinking too hard about not committing the big mistake that'll lose a game.

Is it a coincidence that all the on-field nastiness exhibited this season is from the underclassmen that haven't been around for the losses?
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No the coaches are not 100% to blame. However I do see a trend that's been going on prior to the current senior leadership. The key word is velocity. Is this the first season you've heard Tress use that word?
 
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