2007 tOSU Defense

[MililaniBuckeye]

It's a team thing not a Defense thing. Defensing the goal line on turnovers is part of defense.

"Defensing the goal line on turnovers" is not really a responsibility of defense because the defense is not on the field, and the responsibility of the offense is to score and not prevent a score on turnovers.

It depends on who is doing the calculations. I think that most people would agree, that it's not points scored against the defense - it shouldn't count. However, I think a lot of times people will add up the scores against each team and add them all up. It's easier and faster that way.

The NCAA stats for both offense and defense include all scoring...in other words, "scoring offense" in their eyes is how many points a team scores, regardless of the method, and "scoring defense" in their eyes is how many points the opposition scores, regardless of the method. It's not "true" offensive and defensive scoring stats, but that's now tha NCAA stats are.

 

[Best Buckeye]

"Defensing the goal line on turnovers" is not really a responsibility of defense because the defense is not on the field, and the responsibility of the offense is to score and not prevent a score on turnovers.
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Exactly, but the Ncaa treats it as points scored on the team which is what I said.
I should have lentghened my state ment to "
It's a team thing not a Defense thing. Defensing the goal line on turnovers is part of defense by the team and thus counts in the points against".

 

[lvbuckeye]

it's a TEAM.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Regardless of how they stack the stats against us, our defense is chock full of BAMF's right now! Turnovers are no problem unless they take em directly to the house. If they get stopped on the 1 and the offense comes in, too damn bad because this defense isnt giving up the TD. I've never had more confidence in an Ohio State defense than I do this one right now. We had one play this week against MSU that I said "damn, thats too much." The rest of the day I just laughed at how we annihlate the opponents offense.

Still, according to the national pundits and SEC slack-jaws, we didnt play a worthy opponent this week so our defensive stats are weak. Funny how everyone was saying during the week that MSU would beat us because their offense was the best we've played. Jackasses.:chompy:

 

[Zurp]

But you all know that Dan Conner is going to win the Butkis Award because he plays for Linebacker U...

He's going to have to beat out Pozluszney. I think Poz will figure out a way to win, even from beyond the grave, hundreds of years from now.

 

[BuckeyeIII]

He's going to have to beat out Pozluszney. I think Poz will figure out a way to win, even from beyond the grave, hundreds of years from now.

Isn't he already in the NFL?

 

[SNIPER26]

By far the bast linebacker in the nation........
absolute STUD

He might be the best, but there's no way it's by far. There are so many good LBs in the country.

Dan Connor, Penn State
J Leman, Illinois
Shawn Crable, Michigan
Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina (pre-injury)
Wesley Woodyard, Kentucky
Sean Lee, Penn State
Erin Henderson, Maryland
Jordan Dizon, Colorado
Keith Rivers, USC
Rey Maualuga, USC
Ali Highsmith, LSU

That's off the top of my head. Laurinaitis might be the best LB in the country and I think he's top 5, but to say he's by far the best is far fetched

 

[SNIPER26]

You'll see for yourself on Nov 17th...

OOOOOOOOOO menacing words from an e-tough guy. Oddly enough, I don't ever recall saying Laurinaitis was a bad linebacker or anything. I just said he wasn't "by far" the best LB and you went batshit.

 

[bukIpower]

On Freeman compared to Lee/Connor

A) You can't compare Connor/Lee to any Buckeye because of the defensive lines/Secondary. The buckeye's have a better Dline/Better secondary which means less time for the QB to complete passes (less chances to make tackles). Also When your defensive line is stuffing teams up the middle and making tackles its sort of hard to get in on the fun. PSU's defensive line is good, but The linebackers there are much more depended on to make the stops than ours are.

B) Tackle numbers don't mean shit in football. This is why. OSU's Defense forces offenses to go three and out so frequently that there's simply not very many tackles to be made. Since the PSU defense doesn't get the offense off the field so quickly as Ohio State has done They have twice as many chances to get tackles.

Back in high school our defense was so shitty that we couldn't get any offense off the field. Our Middle linebacker had like 150-170 tackles that year!!! He wasn't even our best linebacker but because our defense couldnm't get the three and outs and with teams running right up the middle he got the stats.

I'm not saying Connor/Lee don't deserve to be on the list because they're talented, but I think Freeman should be thrown in if you throw in two linebackers from PSU.

Freeman/Animal are just as good stopping the run, but they are both better in coverage and both (IMO) run much better than the PSU boys.

By the way.... Animal is the best linebacker in the nation. I would put Ray (from USC, and I can't spell his last name) right behind Animal. Both of those players can play the run/pass and are LEADERS.

 

[SNIPER26]

On Freeman compared to Lee/Connor

A) You can't compare Connor/Lee to any Buckeye because of the defensive lines/Secondary. The buckeye's have a better Dline/Better secondary which means less time for the QB to complete passes (less chances to make tackles). Also When your defensive line is stuffing teams up the middle and making tackles its sort of hard to get in on the fun. PSU's defensive line is good, but The linebackers there are much more depended on to make the stops than ours are.

B) Tackle numbers don't mean shit in football. This is why. OSU's Defense forces offenses to go three and out so frequently that there's simply not very many tackles to be made. Since the PSU defense doesn't get the offense off the field so quickly as Ohio State has done They have twice as many chances to get tackles.

Back in high school our defense was so shitty that we couldn't get any offense off the field. Our Middle linebacker had like 150-170 tackles that year!!! He wasn't even our best linebacker but because our defense couldnm't get the three and outs and with teams running right up the middle he got the stats.

I'm not saying Connor/Lee don't deserve to be on the list because they're talented, but I think Freeman should be thrown in if you throw in two linebackers from PSU.

Freeman/Animal are just as good stopping the run, but they are both better in coverage and both (IMO) run much better than the PSU boys.

By the way.... Animal is the best linebacker in the nation. I would put Ray (from USC, and I can't spell his last name) right behind Animal. Both of those players can play the run/pass and are LEADERS.

A) I'll give Ohio State the edge in DL, but I feel PSU's secondary is slightly better. Jenkins is better than King, but Scirrotto and AJ Wallace are better than their OSU counterparts.

B) Tackle numbers aren't everything, but you make it seem as if Laurinaitis and Freeman are in another world compared to Lee and King. Don't kid yourself, they're not.

C) Rey from USC is Rey Maualuga. He's a ferocious hitter, great in run defense but could use work in the pass game and in the mental game

 

[bukIpower]

ohhhh man....... You have to be fucking JOKING man. I'm guessing your favorite team is PSU???

PSU has nothing on OSU'S secondary. PSU has nothing on the OSU corners. I promise you if our #2 corner was matched up with Hardy that he doesn't go for 100 yards I would go as far as say Hardy wouldn't get 50 yards on our #2 guy. Washington/Jenkins at corner are BOTH first rounders with Jenkins being a top 10 pick. At saftey we have different' types of safties. Your safties are heavier and bigger hitters, but are not nearly as good in covereage as ours. AJ Wallace is not nearly as good as Washington and I promise you that. OSU has not exactly been sack happy this year, and we have the #2 pass defense in the nation. I think the biggest gap of talent is our secondary over yours. I think your dline/linebackers are very compareable, but I think our DB's are much better. Our #3 DB Chikwa is playing lights out as well and I'm not so sure he's as good as wallace

OSU has the Dline/Secondary

PSU/OSU are a draw at linebacker.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree... Right now the way OSU's defense has played all year I just don't know who's our weak link on defense?

 

[SNIPER26]

ohhhh man....... You have to be fucking JOKING man. I'm guessing your favorite team is PSU???

PSU has nothing on OSU'S secondary. PSU has nothing on the OSU corners. I promise you if our #2 corner was matched up with Hardy that he doesn't go for 100 yards I would go as far as say Hardy wouldn't get 50 yards on our #2 guy. Washington/Jenkins at corner are BOTH first rounders with Jenkins being a top 10 pick. At saftey we have different' types of safties. Your safties are heavier and bigger hitters, but are not nearly as good in covereage as ours.

OSU has the Dline/Secondary

PSU/OSU are a draw at linebacker.

Not even close. I hate Penn State. You're fucking kidding if you think Washington is a first rounder. One pick 6 and he's a first rounder? Nice resume Keep dreaming that your #2 corner wouldn't give up 50 yards to a 6'7 mismatch. Let me know when you wake up.

So how about that James Laurinaitis?

 

[bukIpower]

First Off we shoudl split this into The OSU defense thread.. this thread is on James...(Help mods???)

Also Go back to last year (and I know its last year) but Hardy was going against Jenkins (sophomore) Washington (freshman) and also a walk on senior (Smith and he was 5'9") and he didn't do a thing against us. Last years defense was not nearly as good as this years, especially in the secondary.

your right bout REY from USC... He needs pass pro work but I like his play over the PSU guys

I realize that I could have the OSU shades on when saying Washington as a First rounder... But look at it this way.. he's 6'1" probably near 200 pounds when he comes out and he's been lock down so far this year and thats with teams throwing at him because of Jenkins being avoided. I think he will be a late first rounder. He's certainly right up there with Youboty and he went late first

so Wolverine fan then??

 

[sandgk]

Not even close. I hate Penn State. You're fucking kidding if you think Washington is a first rounder. One pick 6 and he's a first rounder? Nice resume Keep dreaming that your #2 corner wouldn't give up 50 yards to a 6'7 mismatch. Let me know when you wake up.

So how about that James Laurinaitis?

Setting aside the issue of Washington's draft status, let's look at what the two corners can do against Hardy.
Funnily enough though keeping Hardy under 50 is exactly what Jenkins and Washington did last year against Indiana - 45 yards, total, dreaming isn't needed.

 

[bukIpower]

there you go.. I didn't know the stats but knew Hardy didn't get over 50 against us last year.. The Corners last year were still pretty young, and they're even better this year. Meanwhile PSU's corners got torched, especially king! 145 yards against King is not lock down.. hell I would put money on Chikwa holding Hardy to 70 yards.