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2006 BCS, polls, Bowl Predictions and computer ratings

lvbuckeye;666120; said:
what's the point of playing a 'Championship Game' when you already played one- especially if said CG is against a team you just beat? i have a proposal, which i suspect will get some flack directed my way, but i think it is valid none the less. let us begin with a question: outside of the $$$, why play a bowl game at all? Ohio State is CLEARLY the best team in the nation, as evidenced by their play on the field. despite the close score, the Buckeyes just beat the clear #2 team in the nation in convincing fashion, so why bother going through the motions a second time? if i had my druthers, when (notice i did not say 'if') M ends up #2 in the BCS after Dec 2, Gene Smith would decline the bowl bid on general principle, and the Buckeyes could tell the entire college football world exactly where they can shove it. we're #1, no matter what anyone thinks, and a rematch doesn't solve anything.

if M gets the BCS title game nod, i say DECLINE THE BOWL BID.

That idea is just as valid as the one before THE GAME suggesting that fans in the stadium turn their backs and be silent when tsun entered the field. In Woody language, that's a damned foolish idea.

Should USC collapse and tsun end up #2 (unlikely imho) then I would suggest we put it to a vote of the players on the
OSU team as to whether they accept an invitation to the NC game. I'm thinking that vote would be unanimous.

Consider yourself flacked :)
 
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Someone help me understand the media, because I may be missing something. A safe guess would be that around 95% of articles found online are discussing the fact that Michigan will remain #2 after losing, and hardly anything about OSU going through the entire season undefeated and ranked #1 from preseason. Maybe I'm just missing those articles, but I've been looking. I guess Michigan losing is more newsworthy than OSU winning :roll2:
 
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Are you kidding me? Ohio State was expected to win, what's to talk about?

I gotta say, I'm getting tired of Buckeye fans feeling slighted about the least little thing. Let the media discuss whatever the fuck they want to and worry about something worth your time.
 
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TimTaylor75;666572; said:
Someone help me understand the media, because I may be missing something. A safe guess would be that around 95% of articles found online are discussing the fact that Michigan will remain #2 after losing, and hardly anything about OSU going through the entire season undefeated and ranked #1 from preseason. Maybe I'm just missing those articles, but I've been looking. I guess Michigan losing is more newsworthy than OSU winning :roll2:

Which was more obvious going into the weekend: that Ohio State would be undefeated and ranked #1 with a win or that Michigan would still be #2 with a loss? The Buckeye's 12-0 record isn't going anywhere for 50 or so days.
 
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Herbstreit's latest ballot:

1 Ohio St.
2 Michigan
3 Southern Cal
4 West Virginia
5 Arkansas
6 Notre Dame
7 Florida
8 Louisville
9 Oklahoma
10 Wisconsin
11 LSU
12 Texas
13 Georgia Tech
14 Boston College
15 Auburn
16 California
17 Virginia Tech
18 Tennessee
19 BYU
20 Boise St.
21 Texas A&M
22 Penn St.
23 Clemson
24 Wake Forest
25 Arizona

Link


Wow. No Rutgers in the Top 25.
 
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TimTaylor75;666582; said:
I guess I'd just like to see an article or some sort of coverage about how we're the Big Ten champs without having to dig through ESPN.com or CNN.com or whatever. I'm just lazy that way.

If you're expecting the media blowjob that USC got last year as "the best team ever" before the championship game was even played, I wouldn't hold my breath. Then again, an ESPN infatuation is the kiss of death, as soon as they start hyping you like crazy you lose, so I don't have a problem with that.

And also, let's wait and see how much they talk about us once the other team for the NC game is actually decided. We've been rock solid at #1 all year long while those behind have fallen like an Italian government, those that have fallen and are trying to scrape their way back to the top are more interesting than us.

Hell, even on this board the discussion about who our opponent will be and the "no rematch" thread are getting WAY more responses than any threads about how good our team did in the regular season (possibly because we know there is one more game to game before this team can be judged), but still, if BuckeyePlanet is talking about it just as much as the media is, can you really blame the media for focusing on it also?
 
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Dispatch

BCS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME

Expert: Michigan a temporary No. 2

If USC wins out, Trojans are likely opponent for OSU; Florida also has a shot

Monday, November 20, 2006

Ken Gordon
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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If Michigan players and coaches were thrilled with the Bowl Championship Series standings released last night, they shouldn?t be. Though the Wolverines stayed at No. 2 after their 42-39 loss to Ohio State on Saturday, BCS analyst Jerry Palm said they need help if they hope to get a rematch in the Jan. 8 title game.
"It says Michigan is No. 2, but don?t be deceived," said Palm, who runs the collegebcs.com Web site. "Michigan?s position is decorative at the moment; they are an honorary No. 2."
Southern California, Palm said, is the real No. 2.
Palm said if USC beats Notre Dame this week and UCLA on Dec. 2, the Trojans will be OSU?s opponent in Glendale, Ariz.
"If (USC) wins out, they will be the highest-rated one-loss team in the computers," Palm said. "And with the poll margins the way they are, Michigan has no chance."
Florida is the third and final team with a realistic chance to meet the Buckeyes, Palm said.
By clinching a Pacific-10 champion- ship with a win over California on Saturday, Southern Cal (9-1) jumped one spot to second in both the USA Today and Harris Interactive polls, leapfrogging the Wolverines (11-1).
Michigan stayed No. 2 in the BCS by claiming second among computer rankings. But the margins are slim.
That news likely will disappoint Mike Hart, the Wolverines tailback who on Saturday guaranteed a different outcome if the two rivals met again.
"I think we?re both the top teams in the country, regardless of what anybody says," Hart said. "On a neutral site, it would be a big game. If I won (Saturday), I?d probably be like, ?No, I don?t want a rematch.? Any time you lose, you want a rematch against that team."
Buckeyes offensive tackle Kirk Barton said he didn?t think a team coming off a loss deserved to play for a national championship.
OSU coach Jim Tressel stayed away from that debate. He said he thought Michigan was a "very deserving team," but he preferred to let the final two weeks play out.
Florida, No. 4 in the BCS, needs a Notre Dame victory over Southern Cal. The Gators would get a big boost by beating No. 6 Arkansas in the Southeastern Conference championship game on Dec. 2.
Palm doesn?t believe Notre Dame (10-1) can climb past Michigan because the Wolverines pounded the Irish 47-21 in September.
OSU is 9-11-1 against Southern Cal, including 3-4 in bowl games, all Rose Bowls. The teams have not met since a 35-26 Trojans victory in the 1990 regular season.
The Buckeyes have never played Florida.
The win Saturday was OSU?s 40 th over Michigan in 103 tries, with 57 losses and six ties.
OSU is 3-0 in BCS games, all played in the Phoenix area. This season will be the first time the Buckeyes will play in the new University of Phoenix Stadium (capacity 72,886) in Glendale, rather than in Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe.
BCS title game president John Junker and other bowl officials clad in yellow blazers followed Tressel into the interview room Saturday night in Ohio Stadium. They can?t officially extend the Buckeyes an invitation until the BCS pairings are announced Dec. 3.
No matter who OSU ends up playing, it will be the third time the Buckeyes will face a No. 2-ranked team this season; OSU already owns wins over Texas on Sept. 9 and Michigan.
No top-ranked team has played three games against No. 2 in a season.
That?s why the Buckeyes think they?re on the brink of something huge, running back Antonio Pittman said, even if they have to wait seven weeks to make it happen.
"If you win them all," he said, "you?d probably have to say you were the best team in college football history."
Dispatch reporter Tim May contributed to this story. [email protected]

Monday, November 20, 2006
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I love how USC is going to have to try to embarrass ND this week. This might be enough to knock ND out of a BCS game altogether. If USC squeaks by ND like they did last year scUM will gain strength for a rematch.
 
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I'm for Ohio State vs USC; just like in the "old days" when you actually tear down the goal posts (see video clip #1):

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Forever Champions
Many people think that the 1968 season is the greatest season in the history of Ohio State football. And while that notion can be debated, one thing is for sure; at the beginning of the ?68 campaign, few people thought the Buckeyes -- a team dominated by talented but unproven sophomores -- would be undefeated, ranked number one and playing for history on January 1st.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But before their dream season was complete, the Buckeyes had to face the nation?s #2 team -- and Heisman Trophy winner, O.J. Simpson -- in the ?Granddaddy of Them All? ... the Rose Bowl. [/FONT]

http://www.buckeyeclassics.com/1969RoseBowl.asp
 
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Part of the problem comes from leagues that created playoff games.... super dumb idea...

So you don't have a conference champion until the first week in December... and you can have those embarrassing things like Oklahoma getting their ass kicked in by Kansas State or last year's SEC/ACC games. Or mismatches like last year's Big 12 game when there wasn't a team in the other division that could walk 20 yards with out tripping.

And part of the problem this year is that all the one loss teams EXCEPT Michigan have a real ass drubbing to account for. Then there's the annual Boise State/BYU/Marsahll "hey-we-play-a-jack-shit-schedule-but-we're-undefeated-so-you have-to-throw-us-a-bone" team.

They should set up the Schmuck Bowl where the "throw-us-a-bone" guys get to play the winner of the Commanders Cup... Notre Dame for most of the last 20 years. That would solve the bitching from both sides.
 
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With each new poll yanking a possible berth in the national title game farther away from Florida, Gators coach Urban Meyer said Sunday that the NCAA needs to seriously consider adopting a playoff to determine a champion in Division I-A football. Meyer said a rematch wouldn't be fair to Ohio State, which beat Michigan on the field.
-- Tampa Tribune

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/11/20/truth.rumors.college/index.html

Too bad Urban Meyer doesn't have a vote:

The USA TODAY Board of Coaches is made up of 63 head coaches at Division I-A institutions. All are members of the American Football Coaches Association. This season?s board: Chuck Amato, N.C. State; Frank Beamer, Virginia Tech; Mike Bellotti, Oregon; Jack Bicknell, Louisiana Tech; Larry Blakeney, Troy; Bobby Bowden, Florida State; Tommy Bowden, Clemson; Jeff Bower, Southern Miss; Gregg Brandon, Bowling Green; Art Briles, Houston; Mack Brown, Texas; Watson Brown, UAB; John Bunting, North Carolina; Bill Callahan, Nebraska; Lloyd Carr, Michigan; Larry Coker, Miami (Fla.); Sylvester Croom, Mississippi State; Darrell Dickey, North Texas; Bill Doba, Washington State; Randy Edsall, Connecticut; Dennis Franchione, Texas A&M; Phillip Fulmer, Tennessee; Joe Glenn, Wyoming; Walt Harris, Stanford; Dan Hawkins, Colorado; Pat Hill, Fresno State; Terry Hoeppner, Indiana; Brady Hoke, Ball State; Brian Kelly, Central Michigan; Steve Kragthorpe, Tulsa; Mike Leach, Texas Tech; Rocky Long, New Mexico; Sonny Lubick, Colorado State; Dan McCarney, Iowa State; Les Miles, LSU; Shane Montgomery, Miami (Ohio); Joe Novak, Northern Illinois; Houston Nutt, Arkansas; Tom O?Brien, Boston College; George O?Leary, Central Florida; Gary Patterson, TCU; Chris Petersen, Boise State; Bobby Petrino, Louisville; Mark Richt, Georgia; Mike Riley, Oregon State; Rich Rodriguez, West Virginia; Bobby Ross, Army; Greg Schiano, Rutgers; Howard Schnellenberger, Florida Atlantic; John L. Smith, Michigan State; Mark Snyder, Marshall; Frank Solich, Ohio; Steve Spurrier, South Carolina; Rick Stockstill, Middle Tennessee; Bob Stoops, Oklahoma; Jeff Tedford, California; Joe Tiller, Purdue; Dick Tomey, San Jose State; Jim Tressel, Ohio State; Tommy Tuberville, Auburn; Charlie Weis, Notre Dame; Tyrone Willingham, Washington; Ron Zook, Illinois.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/usatpoll.htm
 
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All any coach who feels strongly against a rematch has to do is leave Michigan completely off their ballot. That would drop them 0.005 in the BCS standings for each coach who did it, by my math.

Of course, it would have to be someone who either hated Michigan or had no credibility to lose by voting that way.

John L., I'm looking at you...
 
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