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'15 OH F Carlton Bragg (Kansas Signee, transfer to Arizona State, transfer to New Mexico)

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DZ83CK said:
I agree, it is going to be hard for KY to continue to cycle 1 & done players the way they did in 2010 and 2012. They have too many returning players now and that will slow down the cycle. But still they have that perception that if you want to be 1 & done, they're the spot.
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Is it due to great coaching or just being the best players out of high school? Does Kentucky send any higher percentage of their 5 star recruits to NBA after a year than anyone else or do they just get more of them so it looks that way? I mean I understand a degree from UK is about as useful as a GED. Maybe it is just a higher power rewarding them for sacrificing one year of their life living in that state? Naw with that logic all of the Arkansas players would be in the NBA.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
Is it due to great coaching or just being the best players out of high school? Does Kentucky send any higher percentage of their 5 star recruits to NBA after a year than anyone else or do they just get more of them so it looks that way? I mean I understand a degree from UK is about as useful as a GED. Maybe it is just a higher power rewarding them for sacrificing one year of their life living in that state? Naw with that logic all of the Arkansas players would be in the NBA.
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No, they recruit better than everybody else. Calipari has gotten many more 5-star recruits than the entire Big Ten since he has been there. They aren't any better at developing players than 50 other schools are, their recruiting success has been buoyed by their ability to sell immediate starting spots, now that that angle is being reduced, it's harder for them to get as many super elite recruits (top-10) as they had in the past.

I hate to see a kid like Bragg be seduced by the lure of "KY gets you to the pros ASAP" when that's really a product of them getting a TON more talent than everybody else, but ultimately there are a lot of guys out there that will become very good college basketball players and KY has limited scholarships to offer. College basketball is a sport where if you know how to find talent, you can win big even if you don't get many 5-stars.
 
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That is the 'sizzle' that Calipari is selling, and doggone it, it's working! Anyone help me understand how all these 'one-and-done' guys are NOT effecting the RPI indices? Didn't tOSU get dinged when Odom, Cook, and Conley bolted? OK, why isn't Kentucky suffering the same fate? Or worse, as if the kid doesn't plan on going beyond one year, I'm betting they aren't bookin' it real hard, and subsequently not doing all that well in class.....5 kids going pro two or three years in a row has gotta cost them somehow......smart aleck answer is that they're the SEC and the NCAA turns a blind eye....Go Bucks, continue to recruit good people as well as good athletes.
 
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calibuck said:
That is the 'sizzle' that Calipari is selling, and doggone it, it's working! Anyone help me understand how all these 'one-and-done' guys are NOT effecting the RPI indices? Didn't tOSU get dinged when Odom, Cook, and Conley bolted? OK, why isn't Kentucky suffering the same fate? Or worse, as if the kid doesn't plan on going beyond one year, I'm betting they aren't bookin' it real hard, and subsequently not doing all that well in class.....5 kids going pro two or three years in a row has gotta cost them somehow......smart aleck answer is that they're the SEC and the NCAA turns a blind eye....Go Bucks, continue to recruit good people as well as good athletes.
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There is no APR ding when they leave in good academic standing. Oden didn't but Cook & Conley did.
 
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DZ83CK said:
There is no APR ding when they leave in good academic standing. Oden didn't but Cook & Conley did.
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Also Koufos, who like Oden left mid-quarter and got the dreaded "0-for-2" score, thus triggering the loss of scholarships; the others who left early in good standing would have gotten 1 of 2 potential APR points for the team.
 
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BayBuck said:
Also Koufos, who like Oden left mid-quarter and got the dreaded "0-for-2" score, thus triggering the loss of scholarships; the others who left early in good standing would have gotten 1 of 2 potential APR points for the team.
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Yeah, Koufos was a big part of the problem in that regard for OSU. However, my understanding is that the way the early entries get counted when they leave in good standing is a "1 for 1" so while those who come back can be a "2 for 2" points-wise, the 1 for 1s won't hurt you because they aren't necessarily negative.

But anyway, Carlton Bragg. A curious recruit, in that the experts aren't at all clear where he is going. If he had his choice, I believe he would pick KY but it's unclear how much they really want him since they have a loaded frontcourt AND other frontcourt recruits who are higher priorities in the 2015 class. KY can't take them all, even though they all might want to go there.
 
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aaccording to what I have read he wants to play with a college that as a more open style of play. Perhaps he should try VMI. I do not know if Illinois or Arizona(probably could include UCLA and Kansas) is more wide open than Ohio State.
 
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LitlBuck said:
aaccording to what I have read he wants to play with a college that as a more open style of play. Perhaps he should try VMI. I do not know if Illinois or Arizona(probably could include UCLA and Kansas) is more wide open than Ohio State.
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Yeah, I don't buy that Illinois is better for him stylistically than OSU. Groce runs the same stuff that Matta does, and they are in the same slow-tempo conference. I don't know what happened but it seemed like he had cooled on OSU a while ago, when he had decided that Illinois, KU and KY were definitely going to be on his final list and didn't say OSU would be there as well.
 
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