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'11 PA TE Ben Koyack (Notre Dame Signee)

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amybuckeye;1652112; said:
It's probably safe to say that negative recruiting will especially hurt the coaches chances with Koyack considering how TE's are "utilized" in Tressel's offense. That and PSU :sneaky: :mad1:.
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Probably true. Having said that, we have Stoneburner on the team and ready to contribute. If the staff finds a way to get him in the gameplan, then everthing takes care of itself. If they don't find a way to use Stoney, then I think Koyack would have a fair argument for considering elsewhere.

The arguement/knock on the program was always that you can't pass to the TE much if you don't have that kind of TE. It was stated on this board and elsewhere that not HAVING that kind of TE was the reason we didn't pass there and that losing guys like Fred Davis was the reason we don't pass to the TE. Now, we have Stoney...that argument is gone. We should soon see whether we have "TE Eligible" plays in the rotation or not...
 
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amybuckeye;1652112; said:
It's probably safe to say that negative recruiting will especially hurt the coaches chances with Koyack considering how TE's are "utilized" in Tressel's offense. That and PSU :sneaky: :mad1:.
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I wouldn't say that. Ben is a very smart kid and is looking at his selection from a much greater perspective than "which school uses the TE the most?"

Will other schools push that? Absolutely. But as matcar alluded to, we really haven't had a TE lately that plays similar to Koyack until the upcoming year with Stoneburner as the starter. IMO, it's an unfair comparison to say we don't use the TE effectively when we haven't recruited the same type of TE that would fit that mold.

I'll be calling Ben and having an interview with him next week for another site, if anyone has any questions they are particularly interested in just PM me and I'll link the story later in the week back in here for anyone that wants to check it out.
 
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The passes to Ballard picked up at the end of the year as Pryor's comfort level started to rise. The ability to check off of the primary and secondary receivers plays a big part in a TE getting the ball thrown in his direction. Being able to shake free from a LB is also helpful. 6'6" por so also helps with the jump ball passes to phhhhhhw.

:osu:GO BUCKS!
 
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When you have a talent like Stoney, you shouldn't always have to "check down " to him, he should be the intended target plenty of times because of the mismatch he creates. A TE like this isn't just a secondary threat...

ProudBuck67;1652200; said:
The passes to Ballard picked up at the end of the year as Pryor's comfort level started to rise. The ability to check off of the primary and secondary receivers plays a big part in a TE getting the ball thrown in his direction. Being able to shake free from a LB is also helpful. 6'6" por so also helps with the jump ball passes to phhhhhhw.

:osu:GO BUCKS!
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I'm not quite sold on Stoney yet like some are. Injury issues already early in his career. He hasn't shown the abiliity to block very well @ the point of attack on the line either. We all know there is more to playing TE @ OSU than just catching passes. He needs to be able to do all the little things to make him a top TE in the Big 10.

Adding Koyack would definately be nice. Getting another playmaking TE in the fold never hurts. He has already mentioned that OSU's use (lack of) of the TE is a factor, so it's silly to say it won't have an impact.

I'm hoping we see more of a spread attack w/ Pryor like we saw in Troy's last 2 years. Pryor has similiar types of playmakers on the outside with the maturation of Posey as his go-to and Sanzenbacher as his possession guy like Troy had @ his disposal in 06 and 07. That makes the TE a much greater weapon/threat in the vertical passing game...... that Stoney and Koyack are capable of providing.

:oh::io:
 
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mendensa;1652643; said:
I'm not quite sold on Stoney yet like some are. Injury issues already early in his career. He hasn't shown the abiliity to block very well @ the point of attack on the line either. We all know there is more to playing TE @ OSU than just catching passes. He needs to be able to do all the little things to make him a top TE in the Big 10.
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Let's keep in mind that Stoney was a former wideout and had to put on more weight to play the TE position. Sometimes playing above the weight you're used to leads to an injury. And with the blocking thing, again, he came into OSU weighing 200 lbs. Give him some time before you write him off.

I don't really remember people talking about how "sold" on Stoney they were. His potential, maybe, but he hasn't had the chance to show us that yet.
 
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that's all I'm saying. Not that he is going to be a failure @ OSU or anything, but people are projecting him as the next great TE @ OSU and the kid really hasn't doesn't anything yet b/c of the guys in front of him and injury.

My opinion is what it is b/c of those same points you just mentioned. Started out of position, weight, lack of playing time. He still has time to put his stamp on the program I'm just being realistic. I don't see the TE becoming a huge part of the OSU offense all of a sudden. Hopefully, if we land Koyack, that adds another passing threat and we'll see more TE touches in the next few years. Not holding my breath on Koyack or the lattter.

:oh::io:
 
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I agree

Stoneburner has a lot to prove. He looks too slow to be a WR but not physical enough to be a TE.

This is a position of need.




mendensa;1652643; said:
I'm not quite sold on Stoney yet like some are. Injury issues already early in his career. He hasn't shown the abiliity to block very well @ the point of attack on the line either. We all know there is more to playing TE @ OSU than just catching passes. He needs to be able to do all the little things to make him a top TE in the Big 10.

Adding Koyack would definately be nice. Getting another playmaking TE in the fold never hurts. He has already mentioned that OSU's use (lack of) of the TE is a factor, so it's silly to say it won't have an impact.

I'm hoping we see more of a spread attack w/ Pryor like we saw in Troy's last 2 years. Pryor has similiar types of playmakers on the outside with the maturation of Posey as his go-to and Sanzenbacher as his possession guy like Troy had @ his disposal in 06 and 07. That makes the TE a much greater weapon/threat in the vertical passing game...... that Stoney and Koyack are capable of providing.

:oh::io:
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bucksn'boobs;1656204; said:
I agree

Stoneburner has a lot to prove. He looks too slow to be a WR but not physical enough to be a TE.

This is a position of need.
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I don't see Stoneburner as being too slow for WR, more of a too big for WR thing. IIRC the original plan was for Stoneburner to play WR, but when he got on campus he just kept putting on muscle and "out-grew" WR.
 
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Lions get jump on top prospects
2011 look-ahead
By Philip Cmor, [email protected]
POSTED: February 7, 2010

One's trademark is catching the football, the other's is stopping people from catching them.

Oil City 6-foot-5, 230-pound tight end Ben Koyack and Pottsgrove 5-11, 177-pound defensive back Terrell Chestnut don't have a lot in common, but they'll both be focal points as the Penn State football coaching staff transitions from wrapping up its 2010 and begin looking ahead to 2011.

Koyack and Chestnut might be the top two high school junior prospects in Pennsylvania right now and are on the short list of players that have already received scholarship offers to be part of what should be a small Lion recruiting class next year.

"It will be a slower process than this year,'' FightonState.com recruiting analyst Cory James, who is looking at Penn State to sign 13-15 recruits in 2011, said. "They're going to try to get the cream of the crop. It will take time to recruit those kinds of players, usually.''

Koyack and Chestnut definitely fit that mold.

Koyack is regarded as the best tight end prospect to come through the commonwealth in years. A converted quarterback, Koyack has hauled in 89 passes for 1,548 yards and 18 touchdowns over the past two seasons - and that's even having missed the last four games of 2009.

Oil City coach Matt LaVerde is being deluged by colleges interested in Koyack, who is believed to be favoring Penn State and Ohio State early.

"Too many to count. There's a ton. Schools that have been to Oil City are Penn State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Iowa, Pitt, Rutgers, West Virginia. Florida has not been to school, but they've called. USC and Oregon have called. So has Oklahoma,'' LaVerde said.

Miami is also in the mix.

LaVerde, who has experience with top tight ends after having coached Pitt's Nate Byham at Franklin, said Koyack's athletic ability sets him apart. He said Koyack ran the 40-yard dash in 4.5 seconds at West Virginia's camp and was the starting shortstop on the Oiler baseball team as a freshman before switching to track, where he made the state championships in the javelin.
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If he kept his speed he wouldn't have "out grown" the position.

Calvin Johnson didn't "out grow" the wide receiver position.



Sportsbuck28;1656245; said:
I don't see Stoneburner as being too slow for WR, more of a too big for WR thing. IIRC the original plan was for Stoneburner to play WR, but when he got on campus he just kept putting on muscle and "out-grew" WR.
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Scout $ - Koyack Talks Recruiting
By Bob Lichtenfels
Posted Feb 9, 2010

Recently offered by Penn State, Rutgers, & Notre Dame... He estimates he's 90-95% recovered from a torn meniscus in his knee... All of the attention has definately opened his mind to thoughts of other schools than OSU & PSU... He's hoping to see some major programs in Florida & California before narrowing his list... The goal is to commit before his senior year begins...
 
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BN $ - Koyack Changes Leader Board

2/12

By BK...has renewed interest in ND because of Coach Kelly, who offered him over the phone...Penn State, Ohio State and Notre Dame lead with Pitt just behind...wide open after that...says OSU is recruiting him hard and has also been talking to Florida.
 
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