'11 OH LB Jarrett Grace (Notre Dame Signee)

[pnuts34]

I'm surprised that with the consensus of a bulk of the guys we offered OOS at LB and DL going elsewhere, that we don't offer kids like Grace, Rock and Tank. I know Rock wasn't that impressive last season, but I'm sure he's still a high caliber player. I'm hoping Grace gets an offer soon, he played very well last season, and I'm sure bigger things are coming next year for his senior season, with Colerain still a very big player getting to the state championships.

 

[Honor&Glory]

I'd like to hear what you think about him as a possible tight end.

what do I think of him as a possible TE?

I think OSU would be better off not offering. Grace has never played offense in his life. He's a LB or a DE and if that is what the Buckeyes have in mind for him, he will wind up at ND or any one of the other schools that have already offered him.
Just my opinion of course. I sense that he and the family are disappointed by the lack of interest by Ohio State, though. Yet when he goes off to another school a million Buckeye fans will start the 'we never get players from Cincy' rhetoric.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

I don't think anybody's going to fret about not getting a player from Cincinnati that we don't offer, I know I won't. Players like Matt James and Jordan Hicks are a much different story.
At this point I don't blame Ohio State for not offering, I agree with them. We're already loaded at DE and are in on a handful of other prospects that the staff considers better, so no need for him there. I'd need to see him at camp and maybe some senior film before I'd offer him as a LB.

 

[Smith]

Rivals $ - Cincy LB adds Spartan offer
Paul Day at SpartanMag.com, March 3, 2010

MSU offered last week, catching Grace by surprise as he hadn't heard from them in a while... He's interested in the program & wants to get up there for a visit... Plans to take all 5 OVs & commit shortly after... No leader...

 

[Honor&Glory]

At this point I don't blame Ohio State for not offering, I agree with them.

fair enough. I'll leave it alone except to say that when you have a four or five star recruit in your own backyard in an area where you lose more recruiting battles than you win, wouldn't it make more sense to get in with the player early instead of chasing OOS players you know aren't going to be Buckeyes?
just my opinion.

 

[armsbendback]

Isn't it more about the staff seeing Bennett and Farris both projecting on the DL(w Miller and Hayes already in the fold) than overpursuing OOS talent?

And many of those OOS LB and DL offers are not pipe dreams, like Vaughters and Lynch, who both have Ohio connections.

That said, if Jarrett wants to make an early decision, I wish him the best. If he chooses to be patient in regards to an tOSU offer as many great Buckeyes have had to do, that be great as well.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

fair enough. I'll leave it alone except to say that when you have a four or five star recruit in your own backyard in an area where you lose more recruiting battles than you win, wouldn't it make more sense to get in with the player early instead of chasing OOS players you know aren't going to be Buckeyes?
just my opinion.

Well he definitely isn't a five star, I'd go high three or low four. We've already got the two best defensive ends in the state and are deep at the position so we can afford to recruit much better prospects from oos that we apparently have no chance with. To recruit a player just because he's from Cincinnati even though you don't really think warrants an early offer, in hopes it will help in the future, is a) bad recruiting strategy and b) a waste of a ship you could use for next year or could be used on a player at another position you like better. I'd need to see him at camp before I'd offer at linebacker, even then I think he'll outgrow the position. From what I've already seen on film I don't see how OSU would offer him as a LB, he'd have to blow it up at camp.

 

[brutus2002]

Who says he's not 5 star talent?? Scout:! Rivals:! Bucknuts:! ESPN:! Give me a break. The kid is a complete stud...the problem is we have so much talent at linebacker it is sick...we have a legit shot at 3-4 top 100 DE's and 2-3 top 100 LB'ers. Pelini and Dantonio know what they are doing...sorry dude but they know more than you and the recruiting services. Have you ever thought aboutGrace not fitting our scheme...Kinda like Harley...its not about talent its about needs and fitting the defense.

IMO he gets an offer down the road. Lawrence committing to MSU may help Grace get an offer...we shall see. There are alot if kids visiting during spring break...IMO we offer several more kids.

Whoever gets Grace is getting a hard nosed big hearted kid...he has intangable that cannot be measured on film or with a watch...This kids got alot of great options already. Good Luck Jarrett!!!

 

[Buckeye Nut]

Who says he's not 5 star talent?? Scout:! Rivals:! Bucknuts:! ESPN:! Give me a break. The kid is a complete stud...the problem is we have so much talent at linebacker it is sick...we have a legit shot at 3-4 top 100 DE's and 2-3 top 100 LB'ers.

No, my eyes watching him play tells me he's not a five-star. A lot of people don't think he's even a top 20 player in Ohio(granted Ohio is stacked) and I would have to agree. Sorry, in my humble opinion we don't have room for him at DE and I don't think he can play LB at the level OSU demands. Yeah Pelini and Dantonio are smart, they're likely projecting him at d-line where we're going after higher level talent because we're already loaded.

 

[brutus2002]

If I remember correctly we don't bash recruits in the recruiting forum...

IIRC he plays against sme of the best competition in the US.

I really could care less what YOU think. If your a top 20 player in Ohio you are a stud!!!

If we have a few more scholarships open up IMO he gets offered.

BTW guys you PROBABLY bashed JL and AJ when they were recruits!!!

 

[sepia5]

If I remember correctly we don't bash recruits in the recruiting forum...

Where has anyone bashed a player in this thread?

IIRC he plays against sme of the best competition in the US.

I really could care less what YOU think. If your a top 20 player in Ohio you are a stud!!!

Probably, but every year top-20 Ohio players don't get offers from tOSU.

If we have a few more scholarships open up IMO he gets offered.

Maybe, but BuckeyeNut's comments are valid. We've already taken two of the best DEs in the country, and are already stacked at the position otherwise. There are valid questions about whether Jarrett will outgrow the linebacker position, and he probably doesn't have the frame to put on enough weight to slide down the line where we do need bodies. But he is exactly the kind of scholar athlete I think we'd all like to see at tOSU, and there's no doubt he's a great football player, so you never know.

BTW guys you PROBABLY bashed JL and AJ when they were recruits!!!

Who are you directing this to? What's with your broad, hyperbolic, apparently unsubstantiated attacks on other posters in this thread?

 

[brutus2002]

Implying that a recruit isn't quality enough to get an offer and that "experts" like himself think he is ood but not great---Bo Pelini and Dantonio think he i a stud...They know more about defense than everyone on this site combined...He needs to tone it down because I perceive him to be lighting the kid...perception is reality my friend...I wouldn't be suprised if e has fmil that frequents tis board...hint...hint.

This isn't just another year as far as talent in Ohio...this talent is once every 10 years type talent.

If we are done offering/recruiting DE's then why do 3-4 other DE's have offers?

Well i the shoe fits put it on...I have bashed recruits before and I was dea wrong about doing it...plus if you bash recruits it probably isn't the first time you have done it.

 

[therizz]

So, IF J Grace doesn't get an OSU offer, where is he expected to end up?

 

[sepia5]

Implying that a recruit isn't quality enough to get an offer and that "experts" like himself think he is ood but not great---Bo Pelini and Dantonio think he i a stud...They know more about defense than everyone on this site combined...He needs to tone it down because I perceive him to be lighting the kid...perception is reality my friend...I wouldn't be suprised if e has fmil that frequents tis board...hint...hint.

This isn't just another year as far as talent in Ohio...this talent is once every 10 years type talent.

If we are done offering/recruiting DE's then why do 3-4 other DE's have offers?

Well i the shoe fits put it on...I have bashed recruits before and I was dea wrong about doing it...plus if you bash recruits it probably isn't the first time you have done it.

Saying that a kid hasn't yet received an offer because there may be no room or because the position he projects to is no longer a position of need at OSU is most definitely not bashing and that is all that I can see that has occurred in this thread. If you can point out something that goes beyond that, do so, but so far you haven't.

 

[Buckeye Nut]

If I remember correctly we don't bash recruits in the recruiting forum...

IIRC he plays against sme of the best competition in the US.

I really could care less what YOU think. If your a top 20 player in Ohio you are a stud!!!

If we have a few more scholarships open up IMO he gets offered.

BTW guys you PROBABLY bashed JL and AJ when they were recruits!!!

Yes we don't bash recruits, that's why I didn't bash Jarret. Saying I don't think he'll play LB at OSU(or in college for that matter) and I don't think he's a top 20 player in the state(in a loaded year) is not bashing. He's obviously a good player, but there's a lot of good playes that don't get OSU offers.
The reason we have offers out to other DE's is because we think those playes have the potential to be special so you go after them even if you already are deep at the position. If we miss on all of them maybe Jarret gets an offer, but I wouldn't count on it since we already are deep we might just bank them or go after another position.
We all understand Dantonio and Pelini are great defensive coaches, it's likely they are in greater need for a DE than OSU is, neither is projecting him at LB. Nebraska and MSU offer guys from Ohio that OSU doesn't every year. Frankly I'd hope OSU has higher standards for offers since our program is at a higher level than both of theirs currently so the fact they've offered and we haven't really means nothing.
I didn't bash JL or AJ when they came out. I didn't see AJ play in high school, but thought he looked great in the North-South game and I was actually very excited about JL. Both those players showed great instincts to me and would make plays that made you go wow. I just haven't seen that from Jarret, it might be because LB isn't where he's going to play in college. I'd love to see him with his hand in the ground some this season. If he does well with that he could definitely change my mind.