#1 Southern Cal 21, Oregon St. 27 (Final)

[GeauxTigers]

Well I was using Oklahoma more as an example since they are favored by the media to win the Big 12. I really just meant whoever wins the Big 12. If you were looking at this objectively would you put one-loss Ohio St. in the NC over whoever wins the Big 12 with two losses?

 

[generaladm]

Well I was using Oklahoma more as an example since they are favored by the media to win the Big 12. I really just meant whoever wins the Big 12. If you were looking at this objectively would you put one-loss Ohio St. in the NC over whoever wins the Big 12 with two losses?

OK was favored by the media to win the B12 last year, as they were every year that Vince Young wasn't an upperclassman. There's still an awful lot of football to be played. Last year, USC was #1 until the Stanford game in week 5. Last year, Cal, USF, LSU, WVU, and a who's who of teams were in the top two for a time. Did you think that LSU would play in the NC after they lost to Arky? OSU fans were sure that we were headed to the Rose Bowl after the loss to ILL. After last season's rollercoaster ride, everyone said it could never happen again. Well, this USC/OSU game may have been the first hill in a long and bumpy ride. I'm not disagreeing with your assertion that if everything pans out as expected, OSU and USC will not play in the NC; just saing that things haven't gone as expected in CFB for a while now.

UGA and Bama will be a big game this weekend. Not going to bet on that one. Surely, the winner will vault to the top spot, but what if the winner loses to Ole Miss, S. Car, or Auburn? Definitely not out of the question, considering recent history. What if UF loses to LSU, who loses to UT? Last year, OK last to Colorado and Texas Tech, despite knocking Mizzou out of contention by beating them twice. Again, not discounting your argument, but you made a lot of assumptions that need to come to fruition. Running the conference table is no small task (no matter how logical), as USC proved tonight. Predictions based on conference strength are a bit premature at this point. I blame Tommy Tuberville. Let's all go to his house and kick his ass! Who's with me?!?

 

[Nutriaitch]

.As much money as those generate (THE reason they exist), they are a complete disaster way too often to justify them.

Yeah, that is THE reason they were created and still exist to this day. However, as a hopelessly obsessed fan of College Football, I love them. It gives me one more game that promises a quality matchup (except in the ACC).
IF the Big Ten were to ever do it, I would imagine y'all and that shithole DickRod is coaching would be in the same division. But just think of what a game with someone like Penn State would be for the Conference title (and possibility of a National title appearance)

Well I was using Oklahoma more as an example since they are favored by the media to win the Big 12. I really just meant whoever wins the Big 12. If you were looking at this objectively would you put one-loss Ohio St. in the NC over whoever wins the Big 12 with two losses?

Neaux, I don't think a 2 loss team should get in over a 1 loss team from a major conference (unless that 1 loss team's only loss was to Nicholls St.).
Winning Conference games are difficult no matter how shitty your conference is. USC has proven that over the last few years. No One in the Pac 10 can match-up with their atheletes, yet they still lose conference matches.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I just hope a one-loss USC or Ohio St. doesn't get in over 2-loss Oklahoma or a 2-loss Georgia. The Pac 10 and Big 10 just need to get to 12 teams already and get a championship game.

So, if Ohio State runs the table and finishes 11-1 (8-0 in conference), they should not go before a 10-2 (6-2 in conference) Georgia? What would a conference championship game in the Big Ten prove? Even if Ohio State lost a conference title game and Georgia won the SEC title game, Ohio State would have fewer conference losses than Georgia (8-1 vs. 7-2). Proves jack shit. The only, the ONLY, reason there are conference title games is money...period.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

I just hope a one-loss USC or Ohio St. doesn't get in over 2-loss Oklahoma or a 2-loss Georgia. The Pac 10 and Big 10 just need to get to 12 teams already and get a championship game.

No matter what? What if a one-loss USC or tOSU is better than a 2-loss UGA or OU? Just because they play a tougher schedule doesn't mean they automatically deserve a bid.

 

[generaladm]

There was a poster on here that argued recently that SEC championships didn't mean shit before the conference championship game came into effect (it was in reference to Auburn, and some shit team like Vandy, I can't remember now). It was a weak argument, but I'd like to use it now. Last years SEC CC game came down to one horrible pass by UT's QB, when the game probably would have been won by a 3 and out. How lame is that? I don't give to much thought to CCs, since there haven't been to many instances that would have changed the outcome of the Big Ten conferece title. The only one I can think of was in 2002 when Iowa lost to Iowa State (non-conference), and OSU was perfect. Who knows who would have won that game (everything I got on the Buckeyes), but I don't think there's a real debate who best represented the conference in the bowl game (OSU beating the best team ever). The argument against a CC game in the Big Ten is evident to me. The OSU/UM game has decided more conference championships than any matchup that I"m aware of, and if there were a division of the conference, they would have to be in different divisions (destroying the best rivaly in CFB), or face a rematch nearly every year. CCs are all about money, and, to me, just prevent the best teams from playing each season. If fairness is the issue, each conference should be limited to 10 teams, with a 9 game conference schedule, which I'm all for. In my eyes, the CC format just gives more opportunity for a one game upset like we saw tonight.

 

[Nutriaitch]

Last years SEC CC game came down to one horrible pass by UT's QB, when the game probably would have been won by a 3 and out. How lame is that?

The game was tied when that happened, so a 3 and out wouldn't have won it.
Suppose something similar had happened in y'all game with Michigan '06. Would the Big Ten title being decided by one horrible pass be less lame just because it happened before Thanksgiving?

The OSU/UM game has decided more conference championships than any matchup that I"m aware of, and if there were a division of the conference, they would have to be in different divisions (destroying the best rivaly in CFB), or face a rematch nearly every year.

Y'all would almost certainly have to be in the same division. Only way to ensure y'all play every year, but don't have rematches every year either.

 

[generaladm]

The game was tied when that happened, so a 3 and out wouldn't have won it.

My bad. I was thinking UT was ahead. It was still a horrible fucking pass that basically handed the game to LSU, not that similar plays don't decide many regular season games. I just remember watching it and thinking that UT blew the game. I"m sure you didn't have the same reaction. :p

Suppose something similar had happened in y'all game with Michigan '06. Would the Big Ten title being decided by one horrible pass be less lame just because it happened before Thanksgiving? Y'all would almost certainly have to be in the same division. Only way to ensure y'all play every year, but don't have rematches every year either.

I see your point, but disagree, based on both the specifics of the game (I realize you are speaking hypothetically), and the perceived "added weight" of a conference championship game. For one thing, OSU did have a couple of similar moments in that 06 game. We had two uncharacteristic turnovers in crucial moments inside OSU territory (OSU had not given up any points off of turnovers until that game), a fumble, and a bullshit INT (the WR, I think Robo, got fucking mugged before the ball got there. He had to get a new driver's license and cancel his credit cards), but OSU was not tied at the time. Second, just because the game was before the non-consensus "championship week" does not diminish the importance of the game. OSU and UM were both undefeated, ranked 1 and 2 (really 1.5, since the polls were opposing), and the game's outcome directly decided the Big Ten Championship. I think it is silly to believe that the winner of that game playing another conference opponent with a lesser record the next Saturday would have been more significant. Also, having the two teams in the same division would negate the magnitude of the rivalry. They must play the last game of the regular season. Period. If they were in the same division, there would be a letdown for the CC, if there was a special clause that they played every year despite being in different conferences, there would either be a rematch, or a bogus CC. The rivalry has been compared to the Ali/Fraser fights. Would those have meant as much if they weren't for the title? I'm not a fan of the CC game. I think it's a crapshoot whether it pits the two best teams head to head, or it gives an undeserving team a chance to steal a game and make a better bowl. I've seen both instances.

 

[Steve19]

Are the three R's suddenly back on the horizon after this loss?

Rematch
Redemption
Respectability

I'd like to see a chastened and wiser Buckeye team face USC again. With Pryor at quarterback and Beanie on the field.

 

[craigblitz]

All this talk of who should go to a MNC game etc is silly. There is A LOT of college football to be played. I know it is YEARS away but with the percieved parity in college football maybe someday there will be a plan to keep the huge cashflows of money the bowls produce and have play-off system.

Mili, you asked how Oregon State won. They took the game to USC. The ran right at heart of USC, between the tackles. On Defense they brought pressure and made USC make a big play to beat them. Fun game to watch but the whole time I watched that game I was like what if the Buckeyes played with this intensity and fire.. Bitter Sweet

 

[morbitzerker]

The Trojans should suffer the same fate Ohio State did two weeks ago. The Buckeyes fell eight spots to No. 13 in the Associated Press poll after losing badly at USC. That same plunge is exactly what the Trojans deserve.

USC isn't the No. 1 team in the country. It didn't even look like a top-10 team against Oregon State.

Read this on the ESPN website this morning. The wolves are attacking.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Anyone else starting to think that Pete Carroll isn't anywhere near as good a coach as everyone likes to give him credit for? He's a phenomenal big game coach, but who cares? He's a terrible coach against mediocre opponents.

2006: L against Oregon St., UCLA
2007: L against Stanford
2008: L against Oregon St.

In each of those games, Carroll's teams have been huge favorites to win and have had a ridiculous amount of talent relative to their opponent, yet they can't get it done. It's time to take Carroll off the coaching pedestal.

 

[Taosman]

This has been USC's major failing for the past few years. But, the media still wants SC in the Championship game so SC still has a very good chance of getting there. But, their odds just took a major hit.

 

[Apache]

Upset?

Could it be possible that we are mindless drones that believe almost everything the sports media tell us? I thought USC after the 35-3 win against OSU was the best team ever assembled, ever in the history of football! Never, ever was it truer that on any given saturday or thursday a bunch of college football players may play up and some may play down.


By the way Mike Riley is a really good coach and Oregon State usually plays good football. Go Beavers! Hey OSU beat USC!

 

[akronbuck]

Could it be possible that we are mindless drones that believe almost everything the sports media tell us? I thought USC after the 35-3 win agains OSU was the best team ever assembled, ever in the history of football! Never ever was it truer that on any given saturday a bunch of college football players may play up and some may play down.


By the way Mike Riley is a really good coach and Oregon State usually plays good football. Go Beavers!

yes. I thought USC was the best by far. Now two things, are the Buckeyes that bad without Wells playing and will PSU kill us at home. They killed Oregon state. I still can't believe how OSU dominated the lines. I wonder if one buckeye could start for them on the lines