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Who is/was your favorite good player on really bad teams?

Archie Manning, hands down.

This guy is watching his sons making mega-millions and the sad thing is that neither one of them could have carried the old man's "Jock."

Withn any type of decent talent around him, Manning would have been the equal to, if not better than, Unitas, Montana, Graham, etc. etc.

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QB Bobby Hoying (1995 Draddy Trophy Winner)

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9. BOBBY HOYING, 1995
As a senior, Bobb Hoying played on one of the greatest Ohio State teams ever. With Terry Glenn out wide and Eddie George in the backfield, the Buckeyes' offense was deadly. Hoying helped Glenn have the greatest season by a wide receiver in program history, throwing for over 9.5 yards per pass attempt (second in school history) with a passer rating of 163.4 (fifth in school history).

Hoying ended his career with the most career completed passes in Ohio State history (498 completions), beating Art Schlichter's mark by one completion, and passing touchdowns (57 TDs).
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QB Greg Frey (Official Thread)

At the time, that tied for the largest comeback in Division I history. The other 31-point comeback was QB'd by Maryland's Frank Reich against Miami, FL; which was just before Flutie nailed them in November, 1984. Two straight gut-wrenching losses for the team that had another one on Jan. 3, 2003.

Frank Reich went on to also set the largest NFL comeback record of 32 points in the playoff game between Buffalo and Houston, which was ten years to the day before the glorious 31-24 2OT game in Arizona.
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Drew Brees All-Time Passing Yard Leader

Saints' Drew Brees encounters rattlesnake on walk, draws reaction from startled coach

New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees, like many Americans stuck inside their homes due to the coronavirus outbreak, has taken walks to alleviate some of the negatives from sitting at home all day.

While there are no would-be tacklers on Brees’ walks, the one-time Super Bowl champion posted Sunday he had to dodge a rattlesnake instead.

“The baby rattlesnakes were out today… Saw them on the late afternoon walk with the dogs,” he captioned on a picture posted to Instagram.

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The post caught the attention of his coach Sean Payton, who had recently been cleared of coronavirus. He reacted to Brees’ post on Twitter.

“Let's find a different route. Ok?” he wrote.

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Entire article: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/saints-drew-brees-rattlesnake-walk-coach-reaction
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Buckeye Receivers - 2005

Wide Receiver depth is starting to look a little low. We have so many questions with this right now.

WR - Santonio Holmes (you never know. I think it might be 50-50 now he might leave, because of his 2 children. Some insiders in San Antonio now state that they see the gleam in his eyes that this is his last game as a Buckeye. Hopefully he is true to his word that he'll stay, but we have seen players change their minds before, in both going to the draft, and in the recruiting world. Nothing is ever set in stone.)

WR - Albert Dukes (Could be 2 for 2 in not getting the Belle Glade kids back. I think it's almost a given we will not see Albert back. I would say it's at least a 90 percent chance on that. It's hard to win a defensive battle against a 12 year old girl in this type of case. If any of the accusations against him are true... he's done, he's toast, and he will never set foot on a football field again.)

WR - Roy Hall (All these talks about how he's been a dissapointment so far have some merit to them. He was hyped up to be like David Boston, and then damn near got demoted to 3rd string behind 4 receivers... Holmes, Ginn, Gonzales, and even Lyons at times at end of the year. Then there are talks of bulking him into a tight end. That will not happen now, as I think our depth at WR might be running low soon).

WR - Devin Jordan (Had a nasty injury this year. Will he ever come back and be the same? Another possible question here, and a possible casualty. Think Angelo Chattams and Darik Warnke too. They suffered nasty injuries too, and had to call it quits because of the position they played... wide receiver.)

WR - Andre Amos (A stud WR/CB out of high school, but insiders claimed that the staff might actually have been more excited about him as a taller cornerback with his 6'2" frame. That may not happen now. We may need him at receiver, but we'll see. Cornerback depth could have some issues of its own).

WR - Brian Hartline (See Jordan above. A nasty injury. Hopefully we'll continue to get good news on Hartline's progress though. Will he ever be the same though?)

WR- Bam Childress (A senior. We are losing him)

WR - John Hollins (A senior. We're losing him as well)

Based on all of this, I think we need to recruit 2 more receivers in this class. Carlos Thomas (WR/CB) would count as one. I honestly think we need to recruit Jessie Hester Jr. from Florida (6'0", sub 4.5 speed when healthy), and have him replace Albert Dukes. If Dukes somehow pulls it off and comes back, then we'll just have an extra receiver, and that may give Ginn and/or Amos (and/or Carlos Thomas) to play more at cornerback too.

Getting 2 more receivers and 1 more linebacker at this point, might actually be better than vice versa. Remember, we still have Freeman, Hoobler, Lukens, Perry, and Brandon Smith, to go with the linebacker recruits in this class for the future. Wide receiver depth is starting to look shaky now, and could get real shaky soon.

The answer for wide receiver in 2005 was Santonio Holmes.....

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4. SANTONIO HOLMES, 2005

Before Troy Smith's Heisman campaign in 2006, the signal-caller had Santonio Holmes to lean on in as a first-year starter in 2005. In Holmes' redshirt junior year, the pair connected for 977 yards and scored over 61% of his team's receiving touchdowns, the sixth-highest mark in program history.

For his career, Holmes ranks fourth in receiving touchdowns, seventh in receiving yards, and eighth in receptions. He was named to the First Team All-Big Ten team by the coaches at the end of the season.
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John B. Eckstorm (Former HC Football 1899 - 1901)

24 Club: John Eckstorm, OSU’s First Great Coach

John Eckstorm might be the best Ohio State coach you’ve never heard of.

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There have been 24 head coaches in the history of Ohio State football. Each has a story and legacy. This offseason, Land-Grant Holy Land’s new series 24 Club will help you get to know the coaches from past and present who built the program. Today we look at one of the best coaches in the early days of the program — John Eckstorm.

Name: John Eckstorm
Seasons Coached: Three (1899-1901)
Overall Record: 22-4-3

Where Does He Rank in the 24 Club?
Overall Wins: Tied No. 10 out of 24 OSU Coaches
Winning Percentage: Tied No. 4 out of 24 OSU Coaches

How would you describe the OSU football program entering its tenth season? Well, it wasn’t very good. Heading into 1899, Buckeyes teams had posted only two winning seasons. Poor play and cratering attendance led the athletic department to briefly suspended operations in 1897.

Athletics got up and running again, but things were still on the wrong track. OSU wobbled to a 3-5 season in 1898, which included a 29-0 loss to Kenyon. The Lantern summed up the game, which could have been a summary for many of the team’s games, “the visitors outplayed the varsity at every point.” It was clear that OSU needed a spark. Who better to lead the program than the coach that had dealt OSU one of its worst recent losses? A coach who ran circles around the Buckeyes in game-planning and execution. Ohio State hired Kenyon head coach John Eckstorm.

(Eckstorm) took a program that was accustomed to losing and set the bar at winning championships.

Eckstorm immediately breathed life into the program. OSU breezed through their 1899 schedule — allowing points in only a single game — and finished with a 9-0-1 record. It was Ohio State’s first undefeated season in program history. The Buckeyes also claimed the only championship of the day that mattered — the championship of the Ohio schools. The Lantern summed up Eckstorm’s single-season resurrection of the program:

“The OSU football team has risen from a second rate, second class team, to a first grade first-class team in Western football...As far as Mr. Eckstorm is concerned, he is second to no coach in the United States, and it is to him more than anyone else that the success of the team is due.”

Eckstorm’s teams continued to excel but tragedy struck. Ohio State center John Sigrist died as a result of a freak injury he suffered in a game against Western in 1901. The pain of losing a player was too much — Eckstorm quit after the season ended. Eckstorm told a friend that the season contained more hard luck than all the hard luck he had faced in all his years. Eckstorm was not done coaching though — he would go on to coach at Ohio Medical and Kenyon. He would eventually serve as Chief Medical Officer at the Ohio Penitentiary.

Entire article: https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2...storm-ohio-state-buckeyes-football-head-coach

More stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Eckstorm

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