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Zwick vs. Smith (official thread)

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Hahahaha!!!! Wow.. While we are at it we should Ginn to QB and Jenkins to TE and Boone to FB......Just kidding, there needs to be some changes but not an Overhaul, and I think Troy Smith is a great back-up QB.
 
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SATXBuck said:
No Zwick, Troy will shred MSU's defense next week. Everyone will be active next week. Troy will get a heavy dose of film study this week.
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I expect this every week. Is that too much to ask? I am not ripping you at all...I think you make a great point. To me, the problem is coaching and these kids need heavy doses of it. By quality coaches.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Coaching? give it up.
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I am no genius...clearly.:biggrin:

But, how can it not be coaching? We are producing many NFL players. Our defense is undeniably great with great talent. Conversely, with equal talent on our offense we cannot produce on the field over the course of four years. I agree there is plenty of room for execution improvement. However, if after four years the kids are not executing it must be that they aren't talented or they aren't coached well. I am certain they are talented because that's what the NFL says. So it must be coaching. It's a combination of position coaching, scheming and playcalling. Luckily, that can be addressed.
 
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Our biggest problem is the play calling, but Smith flat out can't execute. You can't blame Zwick for the lack of completions down field when the coached simply aren't calling those plays. Zwick has been very accurate this year and has shown that he can throw the short pass, where as smith thinks a 5 yard swing pass should be thrown 90 miles an hour. Also, I don't know how a tight end that can't catch and can't block is starting on this football team. I'm NOT one of the morons that sent Hamby hate mail and I won't be, but he needs to sit. Put in Stan White Jr. or Rory Nicol, get them some game time, for god's sake they couldn't be any worse.
 
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We were moving the ball fairly well last night until Barton got hurt and we had to jumble to OL around some which allowed the PSU defense to tee off. MSU will have nothing resembling that sort of defense, plus we'll be back in the friendly confines of The Shoe.
 
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UGABuck said:
I am no genius...clearly.:biggrin:

But, how can it not be coaching? We are producing many NFL players. Our defense is undeniably great with great talent. Conversely, with equal talent on our offense we cannot produce on the field over the course of four years. I agree there is plenty of room for execution improvement. However, if after four years the kids are not executing it must be that they aren't talented or they aren't coached well. I am certain they are talented because that's what the NFL says. So it must be coaching. It's a combination of position coaching, scheming and playcalling. Luckily, that can be addressed.
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So if you tell your QB what to do and he doesn't do it, it's the coach? I don't care how much NFL talent you have around you....if you don't see Ted Ginn running past a freshman CB in 1 on 1 coverage with nobody else on that side of the field and don't throw him the ball......it's not coaching.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
So if you tell your QB what to do and he doesn't do it, it's the coach? I don't care how much NFL talent you have around you....if you don't see Ted Ginn running past a freshman CB in 1 on 1 coverage with nobody else on that side of the field and don't throw him the ball......it's not coaching.
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If he is coached to make his reads in a particular order, if he is coached to throw the ball away in certain situations, if he is coached to count (in his head) a rush count before he should feel the pressure and doesn't, if he is coached to read the safety squatting inside the hashes and the WR is supposed to continue his route and the QB throws it short anyway then that's a COACHING problem. It's a COACHING problem because the COACH is either ineffective as a teacher or he does not recognize that the student is unable to learn yet he is starting anyway. It's coaching either way look you at it. Because the alternative is that the student does not have the raw talent to learn and play his position. We know that's not true because we continually have superior recruiting classes.
 
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LoKyBuckeye said:
which is it? :roll1:
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loky, you can see from the quote in his post that I challenged him on ginn being a fragile choice at RB, and he responded 'no, I just meant use him sometimes at RB'... not sure what warranted challenging his statements
UGABuck said:
We know that's not true because we continually have superior recruiting classes.
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recruiting ratings are overrated, Mangold is a 4 year starter at C and wasn't even ranked, Holmes/Hawk/etc were 3 stars. Just b/c a player is highly rated doesn't mean he will live up to his hype. Zwick certainly hasn't. Ron Powlus didn't. the list goes on.
 
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