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First off what the fuck is this "good soldier" shit? He's not Kelly Whineslow. Second... he never complained that he should be the #1 guy, he was complaining because he didn't believe he had a fair chance to showcase his abilities (which in my eyes he didn't). If you or anyone else on this board honestly believes that TS is not the man for the job you seriously need to pull your head out of you ass. His performance on the field speaks for itself.
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Zwick beat UC (whoopy-dee-doo). Then he looked great... and then awful against Marshall. He followed it up with the worst offensive performance in years by Ohio State at NC State. After that came NW which could be on the D, but we did lose the game. He was very inconsistent against Wisconsin. And then he had to be injured against Iowa when the game was well out of hand before Smith got a shot.
I'd say he had a pretty legitimate reason to question the coaching.
And I can promise you that Troy did not go seek out the media looking to say that. They obviously were looking for a juicy quote and probably worked it out of him. Maybe he should have held his tongue, but its hard as a true competitor to just say that "yeah I'm fine with the way things are" when the starter is quite mediocre and you are not even getting a shot.
I'd say he had a pretty legitimate reason to question the coaching.
And I can promise you that Troy did not go seek out the media looking to say that. They obviously were looking for a juicy quote and probably worked it out of him. Maybe he should have held his tongue, but its hard as a true competitor to just say that "yeah I'm fine with the way things are" when the starter is quite mediocre and you are not even getting a shot.
He went to the WHAC for a tour recently, that's all the hug he needs :)Bucknut319 said:
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martinss01
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seems i wasn't clear enough... please read my quote. smith IS NOT a felon nor did i attempt to compair him to one. i was responding to the statement made by oh8ch in which he stated to the effect that there are no/shouldn't be lingering punishments in life after the innitial consequence. that simply isn't the case. to prove the point i chose something that would elicite an emotional and personal response. seems it was effective, though it seems i did not effectively communicate the fact that the example had NOTHING to do with smith and is only relevant to his situation in the fact that no punishment for a given crime is restricted to the initial consequence. all misdeeds have lingering consequences.
no, a speeding ticket is not a valid compairson either. it would be a valid example IF you were a truck driver for a company that handled gov. cargo and were busted for wreckless op. that kind of charge would put our cdl in jepardy and thereby your job. for me a single speeding ticket DOES NOT affect my job in anyway shape and or form. smith's infraction (albeit minor imo) most certainly affected his playing status. there is a massive difference there.
the rest of your post i more or less agree with. im not sure if it is an on the field trust issue with zwick or just a health issue. the guy couldn't make it through half the season. then his first game back went down. while he did finish the game, he wouldn't have if he had a backup. being injury prone (not saying he is, just noting the possibility) would definitely be a negative for any player.
sorry my original post wasn't clear in seperating the two different issues i was discussing.
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rocketman
flying low
With comments like these, its easy to see that Smith has learned a great deal from what he did. I'm sure it took some balls to say this, too. The way that Smith has carried himself as the media pressure increases is very impressive, in my opinion.Troy Smith said:
Annnnd to make this QB thing MORE interesting, Boeckman's adds his experience to make this even spicier!
The Lantern - Sports
Issue: 4/7/05
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Quarterback derby heating up for football team
By Brad Morris
When Buckeye nation starts talking about the second edition of the great quarterback controversy between juniors Justin Zwick and Troy Smith, redshirt freshman quarterback Todd Boeckman must feel like the spare tire a person keeps in his trunk - which is most often nothing more than an insurance policy in case something goes wrong with the premium part.
That feeling was reinforced yesterday afternoon at the Woody Hayes Athletic Center as swarms of area media gathered around Smith like hawks circling their prey.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the atrium, Boeckman entertained a much smaller, and intimate gathering of reporters.
That's what life must be like as the fifth wheel.
Boeckman will be elevated for as least one game as Troy Smith serves the second of his two game suspension for accepting money from an area booster.
Against Miami of Ohio, Boeckman will serve as the backup to Alamo Bowl hero Zwick.
Boeckman knows it may offer him an opportunity to potentially show his talents before 105,000 of his closest friends in Ohio Stadium.
"It's definitely a different mindset," he said. "Going into last year with Justin and Troy in front of me, I knew it'd take a miracle to see any playing time. I'll just go into practice thinking I'm the No. 2 guy and just hope that Justin will be all right. Hopefully I'll still be able to get on the field some."
The mindset for Boeckman will not change from the first time he stepped into the "Horseshoe" to when he steps into the stadium against the Redhawks in September.
"You got to go into every year knowing that you have a chance to play," he said. "If you don't, I don't know why your here, because you come here to play in Ohio Stadium. It's a dream for almost every little kid in the state of Ohio."
"Justin and Troy are great players, smart, athletic and talented, so I'm just hoping someday I'll be the starter," he said.
Going into his second season in the scarlet and gray, Boeckman knows he has made progress in his ability as a quarterback, but still has a ways to go.
"I still need to work on my footwork, because you need to get back (in the pocket) and you got to be quick, you got to be smart and know what to do," he said. "I'm working on that, but I'm better at reading defenses, a lot better at knowing where to put the ball, make better reads and get it in to them (the receiver)."
Experience will also be a factor with two years separating Boeckman from Zwick and Smith.
"Those two have been here three to four years and I've been here for two, so they have the upper hand," he said. "I'm just here to try and get better and impress the coaches."
First impressions are always important and that is one thing Boeckman has done thus far.
"He's (Boeckman) closing the gap, but he's also the youngest so he has the least experience," OSU quarterbacks coach Joe Daniels said. "He's also a young man that's pretty intelligent and he's thrown around the ball a lot in his career which means a lot."
With Boeckman being third string, at least after the game with Miami of Ohio, attention has turned on Smith who has had a third of his reps in practice with the first team and the other two-thirds of his reps with the second team.
Even with missing the first game against the Redhawks, Smith is taking his role in spring practice in stride and not putting too much pressure on himself.
"I take it one day at a time, one day at a time," Smith said. "If I start thinking about it, I take my mind off of becoming a better person and a better quarterback in general."
With the quarterback race in full heat with him and Zwick, the decision is out of their hands.
"It's not a decision or something that I can make, it lays solely on the staff," Smith said. "I'm here for the betterment of the team and we have to get ready for Miami of Ohio, which is the first game of the season, which we have to win. If we don't win that game, (the) Texas game means nothing."
Preseason hype, as it usually does at OSU, is running high in the talk of a possible national championship.
"This is a big season for us, coming into 2002, this was the season we were suppose to win the national championship," Smith said. "All the fans and everyone were saying that. We just have to relax and play in the realm of the team we have."
"...My first year in college we had a chance to go to the national championship and win it, and I was in awe. I know what it feels like, what it tastes like and we have to get back there."
No matter who the quarterback is, they will have a deep arsenal of talent to throw to that includes senior Santonio Holmes and sophomore sensation Ted Ginn Jr.
"We got a gang of guys out that who are hungry, and they want the ball all the time," Smith said. "They want to be able to make a play on it (the pass)."
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Buckeyefan_6
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First let me say that I like both of our qb's and think that either one will win for us...<O:p</O:p
Now I must say that one thing I have not seen of either qb is consistency. They have both had their bright spots and trouble spots, but imo neither has had their bright spots on a more "consistent" basis than the other. While Ts did have 1 superb game against ttun Jz had a decent bowl game where he played hurt. <O:p</O:p
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Jz definitely had trouble spots-I remember tons of passes he should not have thrown, but Ts had his share of trouble spots too-one for example...anyone remember ginn’s td catch vs. <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State><ST1:pIndiana</ST1:p</st1:State>? Keywords ginn’s catch-that should have been picked off.<O:p</O:p
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Lets look at their record's 4-3, 4-1. Now consider that in the <st1:State><ST1:pIowa</ST1:p</st1:State> game they had split time due to injury (which ended up as a loss in Jz column). I'm not saying Ts was expected to lead us to a W in that one I'm just comparing time at qb. Are their records not pretty close? <O:p</O:p
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I guess what I’m trying to say is how can we say 1 qb is so much better than the other when they both have looked good at times and both are so statistically close where it counts and so far apart in their styles?
I will finish by saying I can't wait for this season to start and Go Bucks! <O:p</O:p
Now I must say that one thing I have not seen of either qb is consistency. They have both had their bright spots and trouble spots, but imo neither has had their bright spots on a more "consistent" basis than the other. While Ts did have 1 superb game against ttun Jz had a decent bowl game where he played hurt. <O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p
Jz definitely had trouble spots-I remember tons of passes he should not have thrown, but Ts had his share of trouble spots too-one for example...anyone remember ginn’s td catch vs. <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State><ST1:pIndiana</ST1:p</st1:State>? Keywords ginn’s catch-that should have been picked off.<O:p</O:p
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Lets look at their record's 4-3, 4-1. Now consider that in the <st1:State><ST1:pIowa</ST1:p</st1:State> game they had split time due to injury (which ended up as a loss in Jz column). I'm not saying Ts was expected to lead us to a W in that one I'm just comparing time at qb. Are their records not pretty close? <O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p
I guess what I’m trying to say is how can we say 1 qb is so much better than the other when they both have looked good at times and both are so statistically close where it counts and so far apart in their styles?
I will finish by saying I can't wait for this season to start and Go Bucks! <O:p</O:p
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Because Zwick's two "good" games came against Marshall and OkState, two teams with horrendous pass coverage. UM's pass D is pretty solid (its their run D that stinks).
And last time I checked Smith had one pass that resulted in an INT that didn't bounce off the WRs hands first. Even still he only had 3. Smith threw a lot less balls (120 to 180) yet had more TDs, a lot less INTs, and a much better efficiency rating.
Smith's last game was his UM game. Unless Tressel feels he has not redeemed himself from that off-field mistake he made in the spring of 2004, Smith will be the starter.
And last time I checked Smith had one pass that resulted in an INT that didn't bounce off the WRs hands first. Even still he only had 3. Smith threw a lot less balls (120 to 180) yet had more TDs, a lot less INTs, and a much better efficiency rating.
Smith's last game was his UM game. Unless Tressel feels he has not redeemed himself from that off-field mistake he made in the spring of 2004, Smith will be the starter.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I agree. I like Smith.
But I'm curious what people think about WHY the coaches would announce this now? Is it to motivate JZ? Satisfy Smith? Confuse UT? I know these ideas have sprouted on this thread (yes, I read it all), but it just seems to me that these are funny reasons. JZ has a scholarship to play at THE Ohio State University. If he needed motivation, would he be at this level? Same goes with Smith - should he need a reason to be confident with his spot at QB? And Texas - do the OSU coaches really think that Texas is biting their nails about who is going to start? I think there must be another reason.. but I can't think of what it is......
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Buckeyefan_6
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How many of Jz's INT's hit his wr first? (more than 1). I see what you are saying, but Ts got lucky with more than 1 pass not being easily picked off.
And as you said scUM was last-leaves a good impression. If his off field problems are fixed (as they appear) I have no problem with him starting-he adds more to the table, I just think that there isn't enough here to dissect to declare one to be that much greater than the other.
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