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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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Forgive me for being mercenary, but does vacating the wins also mean giving back the cash? And the two year NCAA stuff, is that interpreted to not going to a bowl for this and the next year?

For the record, I'd like to see Smith get angry, and use the comparisons to what other schools have received for worse offenses (and less retribution). It's time someone stood up to these paper tigers at the NCAA.

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calibuck;1950530; said:
Forgive me for being mercenary, but does vacating the wins also mean giving back the cash? And the two year NCAA stuff, is that interpreted to not going to a bowl for this and the next year?

For the record, I'd like to see Smith get angry, and use the comparisons to what other schools have received for worse offenses (and less retribution). It's time someone stood up to these paper tigers at the NCAA.

:gobucks3::gobucks4::banger:
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Gene said he is not giving back the bowl cash
 
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Have always liked Stewart Mandel's writing... this is another reason...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...del/07/08/ohio-state-ncaa-response/index.html

The reaction was immediate and predictably indignant. As soon as the Columbus Dispatch revealed the self-imposed penalties Ohio State reported to the NCAA on Friday -- two years of probation and vacation of all 2010 wins, but no scholarship losses or bowl ban -- the cries of incredulity raced across Twitter.
lol. Is that a joke??? If anything they need to get hit harder than usc did (@godawgs4)
Yeah right. Let me know how that works out for them. #majorsanctionscoming (@stuartmark)
There's no way to predict how the NCAA's notoriously inconsistent Committee on Infractions will vote following Ohio State's scheduled Aug. 12 hearing on former coach Jim Tressel's cover-up of known violations by his players. But while the masses may not believe it, the school's response is completely reasonable.
While numerous media outlets (including Sports Illustrated) have reported a bevy of new allegations involving Ohio State football players over the past few months, nothing has changed since the NCAA sent an April 25 Notice of Allegations that contained two rather narrow charges: preferential treatment for the six players known at the time to have received impermissible benefits from tattoo parlor owner Edward Rife and Tressel's unethical conduct violation (which the school self-reported) for covering up those violations.
There was no Lack of Institutional Control charge (as USC received) or Failure to Monitor charge (as North Carolina recently received). No school employees besides Tressel were implicated of any wrongdoing. The school has no incentive to impose heavier penalties than it issued Friday because the NCAA itself has not indicated anyone other than Tressel and the suspended players should be punished.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...-state-ncaa-response/index.html#ixzz1RY1A3obG
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buck e;1950451; said:
These proposed sanctions are in response to a Notice of Allegations that does not include lack of institutional control or failure to monitor. Why is it so outrageous to some that they are not recommending a bowl ban?
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This is an excellent point that seems to be getting glossed over in all the "I don't care if OSU gets the death penalty" talk.

As OSU's response mentions as a "mitigating circumstance" in section I-B-4-v of the Response:

The Notice of Allegations does not contain a failure to monitor or lack of institutional control allegation
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Tlangs;1950542; said:
supposedly another player was suspended 5 games with the name redacted. i guess we will find out on opening day if not during fall camp when the depth charts are released.
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dorian bell? or is he out for the entire year...and is he even on the team still
 
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Holy shit! Stewy Mandel hit it on the head for once! I could be wrong but I believe the university's response was not created in a vacuum of arrogance but with communications with the NCAA who they have been working with all along. Now the NCAA could add to the penalties, but I remain optimistic.
 
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Stewart Mandel via Piney said:
While numerous media outlets (including Sports Illustrated) have reported a bevy of new allegations involving Ohio State football players over the past few months, nothing has changed since the NCAA sent an April 25 Notice of Allegations that contained two rather narrow charges: preferential treatment for the six players known at the time to have received impermissible benefits from tattoo parlor owner Edward Rife and Tressel's unethical conduct violation (which the school self-reported) for covering up those violations.
There was no Lack of Institutional Control charge (as USC received) or Failure to Monitor charge (as North Carolina recently received). No school employees besides Tressel were implicated of any wrongdoing. The school has no incentive to impose heavier penalties than it issued Friday because the NCAA itself has not indicated anyone other than Tressel and the suspended players should be punished.
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This is exactly what I've been trying to find a way to say succinctly since early this afternoon.

While I am fully aware that I am not well-connected like unionfutura is, the above quote is the reason that I disagree with his demeanor toward today's announcement.
 
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BuckeyeMac;1950504; said:
We sure as hell didnt lose the games...they're vacated meaning no one won just like the Reggie Bush Heisman. Even though we actually did win those games, I'll still say we did.
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You do realize that you'll forever forfeit the right to criticize the fans of SEC teams who cheated and won - if their wins are later vacated and their fans insist on the win despite the cheating? :lol:

That's a

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my friends... :lol:
 
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I believe both tOSU and the NCAA know what the final sanctions will be. In an attempt for the NCAA to look compitent and there to not be a huge outcry for harsher penalties the NCAA will impose an additional set of minor sanctions, much less then what everyone is calling for, maybe a few scholarships for a year or two.

Imagine if the NCAA agrees with the sanctions OSU imposed today, everyone is going to say OSU got off early or paid of the NCAA...but if the NCAA increases them a little it doesn't make it look like OSU is the teachers pet.

Not saying I agree with more sanctions but it just wouldn't surprise me with the amount of heat the NCAA is coming under.
 
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Gatorubet;1950568; said:
You do realize that you'll forever forfeit the right to criticize the fans of SEC teams who cheated and won - if their wins are later vacated and their fans insist on the win despite the cheating? :lol:

That's a

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I am shocked that you would bring that up. Never saw that before in your past commentary or interest in the subject.

The NCAA wanted them to play. Arkansas wanted them to play. OSU wanted them to play.

No further wrongdoing was discovered involving those players since the NCAA chose to postpone the punishment for the sake of ratings.

If anything, that behavior is a ringing endorsement of what Tressel did.
 
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