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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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unionfutura;1950431; said:
You at least setup the appearance that you're are taking this issue seriously and want it never to happen again, the NCAA doesn't want to ban OSU football from bowl games, but it also wants the appearance of people following the rules.

Right now we are pinning this all on a rogue coach who didn't know what to do with the information he was given and therefore made a bad judgement. This doesn't fly, we played 5 ineligible players 13 games while our coach repeatedly hid information from the school and the NCAA, including lying when the situation came out in the media before our bowl game. The NCAA gave us a break that time, I don't expect another one. We burned them.
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The whole cat and mouse game with the NOA then the response, then the hearing, then the verdict is assisine.
 
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Jaxbuck;1950433; said:
To me Smith is making a gamble but I can see the logic in it.

His play is obviously "Tressel was the lone wolf offender and we fired him/asked him to resign so no need to punish the school."

If the NCAA will take that or not is the gamble but the commendable part, as I see it, is that he's trying to get the most bang for his losing Tressel dollar. What was the point in removing Tressel if you turn around and still voluntarily take Bowl bans and scholarship reductions? You could perceive this as Smith trying to not leave money on the table in his negotiations with the NCAA.

I don't like Smith and I don't necessarily agree with this but its one way of looking at it. He's going all in on how big a deal it really is to lose Jim Tressel.
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The school is liable, because of Smith's sham of a statement back in December of being an isolated incident that they dealt with the issue as soon as they found out. Which we know now that his investigation either was mishandled or didn't even exist. Follow up that with the famous press conference and you have a picture of a school unwilling to punish itself
 
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unionfutura;1950436; said:
The school is liable, because of Smith's sham of a statement back in December of being an isolated incident that they dealt with the issue as soon as they found out. Which we know now that his investigation either was mishandled or didn't even exist. Follow up that with the famous press conference and you have a picture of a school unwilling to punish itself
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Yeah, ok. I was trying.:wink2:
 
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This is unfair to seniors who thought they ended their college career with a win-wait, they did, fuck what the records show, I remember watching them win, I remember cheering as loud as I can when Mallet threw that pick, I remember OSU winning that game..
 
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Okay, been a while since I posted (been real busy at work), but I got a CNN 'breaking' News alert saying that all last year's wins, including the bowl game are vacated?!?? Along WITH 2 years probation?!?

Okay, I don't curse much, but....

WHAT IN THE HOLY FUCK IS GOINGS ON?!?

Why would they vacate ALL the wins?!? The NCAA already said that the bowl game was all good. Not saying that one win is better than others, but holy crap!

Is it really THAT bad up there at the school right now?!?
 
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Jaxbuck;1950433; said:
To me Smith is making a gamble but I can see the logic in it.

His play is obviously "Tressel was the lone wolf offender and we fired him/asked him to resign so no need to punish the school."

If the NCAA will take that or not is the gamble but the commendable part, as I see it, is that he's trying to get the most bang for his losing Tressel dollar. What was the point in removing Tressel if you turn around and still voluntarily take Bowl bans and scholarship reductions? You could perceive this as Smith trying to not leave money on the table in his negotiations with the NCAA.

I don't like Smith and I don't necessarily agree with this but its one way of looking at it. He's going all in on how big a deal it really is to lose Jim Tressel.
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I agree that this is a calculated gamble....but changing Tressel's staus to retired as opposed to resigned, and waiving the $250K penalty doesn't really lend itself to the theory that Smith is throwing Tressel under the bus for it. I think tOSU has completely finished their own investigation (the one that isn't reported) and determined that there is nothing else to the story, and no stones left unturned.

There is a chance that since the case for lack of institutional oversight is weak, that the NCAA accepts the self-imposed punishment...which would obviously be the only remaining "win" for the 2010 season. The risk however, is that the NCAA has uncovered something in their investigation that tOSU missed. As I understand it, this would automatically mean that tOSU gets the self-imposed punishment plus, an iron clad guarantee that more punishment follows...

The problems are serious; but the story was VERY overplayed by morons like May, Wetzel, and SI...which was one of the worst stories I have ever read. OSU fans are looking for the next piano to fall on our heads, but the truth is probably that the worst is over now....
 
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Dryden;1950318; said:
Cynics will say it's not hard to post a 985 APR when you're providing tutors to football players to get them past their golf and AIDS awareness classes.

I don't know which will haunt Ohio State longer, the Clarett saga, Tattoo-gate, or the 1998 SI Katzenmoyer cover.
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Jaxbuck;1950326; said:
...getting ape raped in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl.
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^^^^^^ This. OSU's image took a 180 degree hit starting with this game. Most people won't admit it now, but the media and Kirk were all over OSU's jock about how great the team was going into the game.
 
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OSUScoonie12;1950454; said:
I'm still confused as to why the Sugar Bowl was vacated as well. The NCAA had already looked into the issue with the players and cleared them to play. To me, that means they were eligible and not ineligible.
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That's exactly what I was thinking. I think that vacating wins from a season is the dumbest thing the NCAA or even schools can do. The other team never is able to tack the win onto their win/loss record....

Can you vacate the injuries that the team suffered throughout the year?
Can you vacate the injuries other teams suffered?
Can you get the time back that you spent gameplanning?

No on all counts. So why bother? Suspend/expel players, fire coaches, pay monies back, that's fine. But vacating wins? Idiotic, and solves nothing.
 
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It seems to me that this is an offer/counter offer
Situation. Obviously a very loose usage of the term
Offer but we put this, somewhat light sanction, on
The table with the expectation of the NCAA raising
The ante. This way both the school and NCAA put a
Stamp on the punishment. This is merely the opening
Salvo.
 
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