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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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Guys, the UNL AAU-CIC discussion has its place in another thread. Thanks.

There's certainly enough stuff already going on in this thread. :tongue2:
 
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BB73;1919931; said:
Guys, the UNL AAU-CIC discussion has its place in another thread. Thanks.

There's certainly enough stuff already going on in this thread. :tongue2:

It's that Floradite causing all the trouble, sir.

Floridanian?

Florsian?

Floregian?

Ah, screw it. Anyone want a McRib?
 
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Back on topic....this is the best post spring write up ive read yet


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May 10, 2011 - Jim Tressel is gone at Ohio State when he says so. This ain't his first rodeo, folks. His first rodeo was in Paducah, Kentucky in 1978, and he strangled a horse to death with his bare hands just to show everyone he was serious. A grainy Betamax tape of this very incident was all Tressel handed Ohio State as his resume when he first interviewed for the job. Witnesses described the committee as "beyond impressed," and his performance as "Woody Hayes-esque."


This is all you really need to read
 
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bassbuckeye07;1919894; said:
There are some who say "dont blame the media" and to a degree I agree (you make your own bed)

I'm one of those guys, and I want to clarify what I said because I don't think I elaborated enough on it. Don't blame the media for finding OSU's violations. If the media misreports something, blame the living hell out of them for being shitty at their jobs. :p

They shouldn't be reporting unless there's a story to report. There are a lot more names than Gibson in that article, and it seems that the focus has been on Gibson in this thread. I still find it fishy that so many student-athletes and their families went to the same guy. But if there's nothing, the Dispatch deserves all of the blame for shitty reporting.

But, I don't really have a problem with them reporting violations that have actually occurred. That's just how it goes. And I don't think that's "bad" journalism. Lots of people hating on "gotcha" journalism.. there would be no "gotcha" if there were no violations. Stop committing violations and these stories about violations will go away.
 
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Its a blog but I think a pretty good sumation of cargate IMO




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We've heard the stories for awhile about how Ohio State football players - most notably Terrelle Pryor - had acquired vehicles from the same salesman, a guy named Aaron Kniffin. That story, which grew wings once Tatgate broke in December quickly dissolved once OSU Compliance ruled in January following an internal investigation that nothing improper had occurred.
Fast-forward four months to Saturday when the Columbus Dispatch published its own investigation of the transactions between Kniffin and dozens of Ohio State athletes and their relatives along with the news that OSU Compliance was going to re-examine the already-vetted car deals. So this is actually a sequel to the original, short-lived Cargate. A sequel no one really wanted. Just like Speed 2.
Mere hours after the Dispatch story broke, ESPN also made it a front page story. For those of you playing the ESPN Selectively Newsworthiness Home Game, Cargate II was acknowledged exactly two years, eight months, 11 days and several hours faster than the Reggie Bush investigation was. And it seemed even faster than that because in the Big Ten everything moves too fast for us hurrrrrrrrrr...
Critical analysis of the latest chapter in Ohio State's ongoing offseason shitshow was swift: From Georgia to Michigan the pre-investigation verdict was GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY. Outside of Ohio, Americans were united and celebrating the latest Ohio State report as if the Navy had figured out a way to bring Osama back to life so that they could kill him again, repeatedly. Haters hate. That's why they're called that.

For those of us who are fans of the home team, just reading the headline, "Ohio State to investigate players' car deals" was like taking 100 laxatives. However, there were several important details within the article, like:
NCAA rules don't prohibit athletes from shopping at the same stores, eating at the same restaurants or buying cars at the same dealerships. The rules prohibit athletes and their relatives from receiving discounts that are not offered to the general public.
Compliance was not as concerned if the player sucked at negotiating, nor if the player cut a sweet deal, but if he got a deal that no one else could have gotten. Coercing Kniffin to "go and talk to his manager to see what he can do" is not an NCAA violation. Any one of us in the general public who push hard enough can get this treatment. [Side note/consumer tip: This meeting is a charade designed to make you feel special and get your business. Congratulations, you've just unlocked the Everyone Gets It discount.]
 
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I've been away for a while. Hope I didn't miss anything.........












I think I'll just let this all play out before I jump to conclusions. It's entirely possible that Tressel has been directing players to dealerships...or it's also possible that it's all a coincidence and the program is as clean as we hope. The truth undoubtedly lies somewhere in the middle.
 
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3074326;1919977; said:
Well, I still think that view is a little naive, but I certainly hope it's true.
I guess I was wondering this: if the Tat-5 said they sold their stuff because their families needed the money, would that make TP's family poor? And if they were poor, could both TP's mom and his brother afford cars too?

Sorry, but I don't know about his family background, other than the parents are either divorced or separated, and that he's from Pennsylvania. Is the brother who bought the car older or younger, in school or out, living at home or not, able to afford a car, etc.? If the Pryors were on the low side of the economic scale, three of them buying a car might raise an eyebrow if you didn't know about the real situation.
 
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I don't post on here very much but I wanted to clear up a couple things.

1. Dealers only use fair market value when they are trying to screw some folks on a stupid sales ad. Dealers do not use fair market value. Vehicles are valued according to the region or zip code you live in. Example: an all wheel drive Subaru is worth a he!! of a lot more in Colarado than in Georgia.
2. Dealers use different books to value cars. NADA, The Black Book and some use Kelly Blue Book.
3. No one knows how much a dealer paid for a vehicle. Dealers buy them from auctions well below trade in value, loan value, and even the most famous lately "Fair market value". We can all search the net and actually find out the cost of a new vehicle but we can not find out what a dealer actually paid for a used vehicle.

I'm not defending the loan that stated sale price of $0. That is someone not wanting to pay sales tax for sure. I just hope this gets straightened out the right way.
I Love the Buckeyes and am sick of seeing :osu: on espn.
 
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Gatorubet;1919999; said:
I guess I was wondering this: if the Tat-5 said they sold their stuff because their families needed the money, would that make TP's family poor? And if they were poor, could both TP's mom and his brother afford cars too?

Sorry, but I don't know about his family background, other than the parents are either divorced or separated, and that he's from Pennsylvania. Is the brother who bought the car older or younger, in school or out, living at home or not, able to afford a car, etc.? If the Pryors were on the low side of the economic scale, three of them buying a car might raise an eyebrow if you didn't know about the real situation.

Questions like this still linger because of the ridiculous, first press conference, in which our administration and coach acted like that excuse was enough to satisfy the NCAA.

I don't think the NCAA had any issues with the excuse at the time, it's just that you can't have continual follow-up stories that force their hand.

To answer your question though, I think a better question is, if Terrelle Pryor received several thousand dollars for his memorabilia, and his tattoos cost several thousand dollars, how did his family benefit in the first place?

The poor family justification for these kids trading memorabilia was asking for bad karma...which we got.
 
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dkbuckeyes;1920007; said:
I don't post on here very much but I wanted to clear up a couple things.

1. Dealers only use fair market value when they are trying to screw some folks on a stupid sales ad. Dealers do not use fair market value. Vehicles are valued according to the region or zip code you live in. Example: an all wheel drive Subaru is worth a he!! of a lot more in Colarado than in Georgia.
2. Dealers use different books to value cars. NADA, The Black Book and some use Kelly Blue Book.
3. No one knows how much a dealer paid for a vehicle. Dealers buy them from auctions well below trade in value, loan value, and even the most famous lately "Fair market value". We can all search the net and actually find out the cost of a new vehicle but we can not find out what a dealer actually paid for a used vehicle.

I'm not defending the loan that stated sale price of $0. That is someone not wanting to pay sales tax for sure. I just hope this gets straightened out the right way.
I Love the Buckeyes and am sick of seeing :osu: on espn.

OSU_Buckguy;1919663; said:

It seems there might actually be a coherent explanation for the infamous "$0" car. Now there's a rumor of a "$3" Chicken McNugget deal? This shit just got real fucking serious.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;1919911; said:
Well no [Mark May].....but it being for charity doesn't really change that the helmets were sold well above market value simply because of who wore them. Just like the gold pants and championship rings. You have to try to not see some hypocrisy there.

If the money from the helmet sales is going to charity, then there's no hypocracy. Now if the university itself was making a tidy profit from the sale, you'd have a point...
 
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