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Mark May and his crew of jackoffs strike again. During the lead in one of the guys involved in the selection process was explaining the Art Monk situation and the fact that they were all called idiots by Mark May and several others in the media and around football for not getting Monk in before now. He said that he "didnt like being called and idiot." He and the others got their feelings hurt so they decided to get Monk in this year.
Should Monk get in? Maybe. Over Cris Carter? Not a fucking chance!
There are current backlogs at certain positions like WR, RB and LB. The offensive players are getting selected almost 2to1 over defense. I think they're trying to rectify those situations by their selections this year. Fred Dean and Richard Dent over Derek Thomas? Terrible.
Should Monk get in? Maybe. Over Cris Carter? Not a fucking chance!
There are current backlogs at certain positions like WR, RB and LB. The offensive players are getting selected almost 2to1 over defense. I think they're trying to rectify those situations by their selections this year. Fred Dean and Richard Dent over Derek Thomas? Terrible.
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buckeyes_rock
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Unbelievable! Thought he was a shoe in...2nd only to Rice in TDs and receptions...don't understand how he didn't make it in.
Wow, just wow.
Wow, just wow.
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OH10
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I don't get it. The credentials for the Hall of Fame don't change. Either Monk is or is not a Hall-of-Famer, and the same is true for Carter. Monk's stats have not gotten any better since he first became eligible, and the same will be true for Carter.
The system needs an overhaul. Those voters that are hung up on the idea that there should be a difference between first-ballot and seventh-ballot HOFers need to lose their right to vote. That philosophy is plain and simple... fucking stupid.
The system needs an overhaul. Those voters that are hung up on the idea that there should be a difference between first-ballot and seventh-ballot HOFers need to lose their right to vote. That philosophy is plain and simple... fucking stupid.
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OH10;1083535; said:
Being "first ballot" is a distinction in every Hall of Fame, right or wrong. That won't change, no matter who is voting. And I'm not defending Art Monk's selection, which makes Carter's exclusion worse.
But as for Carter, I guess I'll risk all the dinging and take the not-so-popular position, that he will definitely get in and should certainly get in, but not getting in this year isn't the travesty that it looks like if he wasn't from Ohio State, based on the first-ballot-or-not argument.
On the he's awesome and he rocks and he needs to be in now side, he had 9 years of at least 70 catches, 8 straight 1000 yard seasons, and 5 years of double-digit TDs. He's second in career receptions, 6th in career receiving yards, and 2nd in career receiving TDs, and went to 8 Pro Bowls.
On the not-quite-yet side, Carter's career was fantastic, but he didn't hit 1000 yards receiving until his 8th year in the league, led the league in receptions only twice, led the league in TD catches only 3 times, and never led the league in receiving yards, nor did he top 1400 in a season. Contrast that with a guy like Isaac Bruce, who will probably get into the Hall of Fame someday, but will be argued as a player of his system and his era a lot more than Carter on this board I'm sure. Bruce reached 119 catches and 1781 yards and 13 TDs in only his second year in the league, has 8 seasons of at least 69 catches, crossed 1000 yards 8 times (and now ranks ahead of Carter in yards), double-digit TDs twice. His YPR is 15.0, Carter's is only 12.6. Also contrast Carter with Tim Brown, who crossed 75 catches 10 straight years, had 9 straight 1000 yard seasons, double digit TDs twice, and made 9 Pro Bowls to Carter's 8. He's also career 3rd in receptions, 2nd in yards, and 6th in TDs. Is Brown a HOFer? Yes. Was he good enough to consider one of the 5 best receivers ever? I don't think so. But his numbers and Carter's are comparable.
Now, do I love Cris Carter? Yes. Would I take Bruce or Brown over Carter? No. Do I think he was the 2nd best receiver of his era behind Rice? I think it's debatable, he was excellent, tough, and consistent, but so were Brown, Bruce, Marvin Harrison, and several others. He was a great player, and he will get into Canton, probably next year, so this is mostly a moot discussion, but I think him waiting a year isn't anywhere in the zip code of what they're doing to Randy Gradishar.
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By Photo by creativecameraconcepts.comCris Carter, left, and Gerald Carr, a 24-year coaching veteran who has worked in the NFL and is currently serving as Baylo...
Star NFL receiver Cris Carter ?loves football?
By Robert Howes
Thu Feb 07, 2008
- Drafted out of Ohio State University by the Philadelphia Eagles in 1987, Cris Carter?s first reception as a pro was a 22-yard touchdown catch. He went on to a stellar NFL career spanning 15 years, including 12 years with the Minnesota Vikings. Coupling stunning athletic ability with durability, Carter played a full 16-game slate for 13 seasons and appeared in eight consecutive Pro Bowls. In 1999, he became only the second player in NFL history to catch 1,000 passes, putting him into the history books alongside Jerry Rice. Carter ranks second on the NFL?s all-time list for total receptions (1,101) and receiving touchdowns (130). He was named to the All-Decade Team (1990) by the Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee and received the 1999 NFL Man of the Year award. In 2002, Carter returned to the field when he joined the Miami Dolphins in midseason when injuries decimated their receiving corps.
In addition to his work on HBO as host of HBO Sports? Inside the NFL, Carter also serves as a NFL expert for Yahoo sports. Carter is currently a coach at St. Thomas Aquinas High School in Miami where he coaches his son who looks to be following in his dad?s footsteps. Carter, who resides in Boca Raton, Fla., with his wife and their two children, was this year, his first year of eligibility, among the 2008 nominees for induction into the NFL Hall of Fame. This past Saturday, he learned that this was not his year. By all accounts, however, it is only a matter of time before this football giant makes the trip to Canton, Ohio.
Star NFL receiver Cris Carter ?€˜loves football?€™ - Plymouth, MA - Wicked Local Plymouth
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