Worst unit in the nation?

[DaddyBigBucks]

But that doesn't take into account that almost half NoD's points were scored by their defense. And most of their scoring "drives" on offense were 10 yards or less and set up by turnovers or special teams returns. What would the DSO score be just w/o the defensive scores. Of course maybe FIU is also 'benefitiing' from non-offense scores and short fields.

I'd also argue that 'worst' doesn't just mean lowest stats. FIU's offense should be inept, they're one of the worst, least talented teams in division 1-A (despite all the Florida speed that must be on that team). NoD has far more talent available than FIU and is coached by the greatest* offensive genius ever and led by the best emu in high school football history. Yet NoD is threatening to set records for offensive futility. NoD's offense should at least be with in the top half of 1-A schools (in either basic stats or differential).

*strictly in terms of mass

The question isn't "the most underperforming unit", it is "the worst unit". By pointing out that FIU is the only worse unit in the country, I was taking a jab at ND for underperforming; a jab that Jax' picked up on immediately.

But it is absolutely undeniable that FIU is the worst offense in the country.

ND has produced 14 or more points in 4 of their last 5 games against BC, UCLA, Purdue and MSU. While not all of those points were scored by the offense, let's at least observe that ND's offense has benefitted from 5 more turnovers than has FIU's this season (18 vs. 13).

And while we're on the subject of turnovers, ND has coughed up the ball 17 times this season. That's pretty bad.

FIU has turned the ball over 29 times against a sun belt schedule. That's worse than pretty bad... by a lot.

And oh yeah, FIU has scored 14 points or more only twice this season (not 4 times). And they managed it only against Troy's backups in a blow out (a stellar 16 point effort) and against La. Monroe (not BC, UCLA, Purdue and MSU).

When it comes to bad offense, it is FIU that is on the verge of setting all-time records for futility; not ND.

But rather than miss the "Beat on Ntre ame" bandwagon, let me close with this:

If we narrowed our search to the worst unit in terms of just rushing or just passing, then the Irish rushing offense wins in a landslide. They are managing just over HALF of the yards per carry of the 118th team in the country, Duke. They are literally almost twice as bad as the 2nd worst team in rushing offense.
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[BB73]

The question isn't "the most underperforming unit", it is "the worst unit". By pointing out that FIU is the only worse unit in the country, I was taking a jab at ND for underperforming; a jab that Jax' picked up on immediately.

But it is absolutely undeniable that FIU is the worst offense in the country.

ND has produced 14 or more points in 4 of their last 5 games against BC, UCLA, Purdue and MSU. While not all of those points were scored by the offense, let's at least observe that ND's offense has benefitted from 5 more turnovers than has FIU's this season (18 vs. 13).

And while we're on the subject of turnovers, ND has coughed up the ball 17 times this season. That's pretty bad.

FIU has turned the ball over 29 times against a sun belt schedule. That's worse than pretty bad... by a lot.

And oh yeah, FIU has scored 14 points or more only twice this season (not 4 times). And they managed it only against Troy's backups in a blow out (a stellar 16 point effort) and against La. Monroe (not BC, UCLA, Purdue and MSU).

When it comes to bad offense, it is FIU that is on the verge of setting all-time records for futility; not ND.


But rather than miss the "Beat on Ntre ame" bandwagon, let me close with this:

If we narrowed our search to the worst unit in terms of just rushing or just passing, then the Irish rushing offense wins in a landslide. They are managing just over HALF of the yards per carry of the 118th team in the country, Duke. They are literally almost twice as bad as the 2nd worst team in rushing offense.​

Apparently we were in too much of a 'rush' to trash the entire Ntre Ame offense. [THEOhioState] (get it?) [/THEOhioState]

 

[lvbuckeye]

Comparing ND's offensive against Louisville's defense:

ND offense:
187.63 ypg (#119) - This is almost 47 ypg less the #118 FIU and over 75 ypg less than #117 Utah St, and 114 teams average over 100 ypg more.
10.0 ppg (#118) - Only FIU scores less (8.5 ppg). They didn't score their first offensive TD until the fourth game of the season--on a 9-yard drive. Only seven of their 10 TDs have come on offense...less than one offensive TD per game.

UL defense:
411.33 ypg (#81) - This is over 100 ypg less than the two worst teams, Minnesota and Rice.
27.3 ppg (#66) - This is almost dead in the middle of the 119 teams. There are three teams giving up two TDs a game more.

Like I said earlier, it's not even close as to which unit is the worst in the country...

your comparison is all wrong. Minnesota has the worst defense in the nation. they give up 536 yards per game. total defense: dead last. pass defense: dead last. rush defense: #103. scoring defense: #111...

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

As well as 42 points to Middle Tennessee State, 40 points to Kentucky and 44 to Utah.

Utah also scored 44 against UCLA...I don't see you mentioning UCLA's defense as that bad. Evidently you choose to ignore what I posted Louiville's defense holding Cincinnati, Connecticut, and Pittsburgh to 24, 21, and 17 points respectively in their last three games. Louisville's defense right now is no where near as bad as you claim.

your comparison is all wrong. Minnesota has the worst defense in the nation. they give up 536 yards per game. total defense: dead last. pass defense: dead last. rush defense: #103. scoring defense: #111...

How is my comparison wrong? I said that Louisville's 411.33 ypg is over 100 ypg less than the two worst teams, Minnesota and Rice. So, if Minnesota is giving up 536 ypg, then Louisville's 411.33 is indeed more than 100 yards less per game.

 

[OSUsushichic]

That's a lot of suckage.

 

[lvbuckeye]

er, i guess it isn't... i guess i didn't read it through...

 

[PlanetFrnd]

'Cuse is getting a big shot of speed next year...

 

[BuckTwenty]

All 4 of Louisville's losses were by single digits. With Brohm's high powered offense and a D that was worth a damn, goodness. They could be looking at a BCS bowl or better. Heck they should have beat the team that beat LSU and that would have had they had even a half way decent D.

Notre Dame on the other hand, with an offense worth a damn, they're STILL probably 1-7. That D is just as terrible. Those games they lost weren't even close.

I'm giving Louisville the nod.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

All 4 of Louisville's losses were by single digits. With Brohm's high powered offense and a D that was worth a damn, goodness. They could be looking at a BCS bowl or better. Heck they should have beat the team that beat LSU and that would have had they had even a half way decent D.

Notre Dame on the other hand, with an offense worth a damn, they're STILL probably 1-7. That D is just as terrible. Those games they lost weren't even close.

I'm giving Louisville the nod.

WTF kind of logic is that? We're not talkig about winning or losing games, but rather how bad specific units are. It doesn't matter that Louisville's offense was able to overcome their early defensive short-comings. Hell, using that logic, you could say that Louisville's defense won the Cincinnati and Pittsburgh games for them to overcome the sub-par performance of their offense. Louisville's defense has made marked improvement. Notre Dame's offense has made little improvement, and their offense was so monumentally pathetic at the start of the season that it was virtually impossible not to improve.

 

[martinss01]

Several years ago I started one of those 'life lists" where you spell out the things you want to do before you die. It has actually worked in getting me focused on doing things I might otherwise have put off.

Point being, you could use this as the start to a list of your own.

(BTW - You are on my list.)

quick question. is she on your list perportionally higher than he is on hers? if so i would strongly recommend revisiting your list.

 

[MD Buckeye]

Utah also scored 44 against UCLA

Who also got beat by Notre Dame :tongue2:

I don't see you mentioning UCLA's defense as that bad.

Because we're talking about Notre Dame & Lousiville :)

Evidently you choose to ignore what I posted Louiville's defense holding Cincinnati, Connecticut, and Pittsburgh to 24, 21, and 17 points respectively in their last three games.

I didn't ignore anything. I provided "counter evidence". None of those 3 teams have great offenses either.

Either way, both Notre Dame's O & Louisville's D sucks........put them together and you have the worst team in the Nation.

 

[Tonyank]

ND offense....is something really "the worst" if it doesn't exsist ??? lol

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I didn't ignore anything. I provided "counter evidence". None of those 3 teams have great offenses either.

You provided shit. Louisville's holding Cincinnati, Connecticut, and Pittsburgh to 24, 21, and 17 points respectively was also holding them to 19, 12, and 6 points below their previous scoring averages. The "worst unit in the nation" doesn't hold their opponents to well under their scoring average.

 

[cincibuck]

your comparison is all wrong. Minnesota has the worst defense in the nation. they give up 536 yards per game. total defense: dead last. pass defense: dead last. rush defense: #103. scoring defense: #111...

You're forgetting SOS. Minnesoso played had to play a division 1 AA team and the MAC in the same year.

 

[MD Buckeye]

You provided shit. Louisville's holding Cincinnati, Connecticut, and Pittsburgh to 24, 21, and 17 points respectively was also holding them to 19, 12, and 6 points below their previous scoring averages. The "worst unit in the nation" doesn't hold their opponents to well under their scoring average.

K, you win. Cookie? :chompy: