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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Talking of odds, no one person has both teams bet in the vBet for the tournament. Only PickeringtonDad stands to win big - should France prevail one more time.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Yet, you were interested enough to share this terse assessment on the game with us all.
cincibuck what you are griping about is a result of unintended consequences. Believe it or not all the things that appall those who see the game so little are direct or indirect consequences of ill-considered changes to the game.
Cases in point:
Zero-Zero ties in OT - They tried the golden goal, (sudden death if you prefer). The result, long lingering death from stifling play. Why? Because the underlying causes of stultifying play have never been correctly addressed. (Nor will they be with Blatter et al stewarding FIFA).
So what causes the stultifying play? The following in no particular order.
1 - Passing back, playing possession. How could they really overcome that? Set a limit on the possession passes, either mount an attack or give up the ball (free kick or throw-in, I don't care which).
2 - Offside Rule. This is the quintessential example of a rule with good intentions leading to unintended consequences. Eliminating offsides would take a lot of the skill elements out of the game, but the way offsides now works is broken. In truth it more often than not is the case that Offsides is called incorrectly. The number of times I saw the ball struck, with the offensive player even or behind the last field defender, yet get called Offsides was huge in this World Cup. Now, you might think this was atypical of soccer, it isn't. Sadly, referees and the officials get this wrong somewhere close to 75% of the time. That is not a jibe at referees, they simply cannot hope to keep up with a full-tilt boogie on the field and say ball kicked and player on or offsides in real time. It is humanly impossible.
Solution - if ever there was a need for a true sideline referee this is it. If ever that sideline referee needed electronic help of some sort, this is it. In truth, the best position from which to call offsides is "Eye in The Sky" or Press Box. I hope that FIFA and other FAs nationally look very seriously at this.
3 - Diving and Feigned Injuries that Stifle the Flow of the Game.
I hate it when I see this kind of crap going on. It is not how I learnt to play the game, it provides an awful example that is whiny, effete and frankly unethical. It is, in a word, cheating.
Alternatively, if they writhe in fake pain (grabbing the head when the tackle was ball and feet) send them off for at least five minutes - I mean clearly, someone who has that much feigned pain needs a lengthy cooling off period.:tongue2:
Solution - send the assholes off. I don't care if we end up with only three men on one side. I'd rather see one laughing stock of a game where the actors are told, exeunt stage left, than see them spoil what should be a fast moving and skillful display.
4 - Shielding the Ball - Make it an illegal practice to walk to the goal or sideline. You either play the ball with your feet or get the equivalent of a travel call in Basketball. (This would actually be in total keeping with the manner in which the rule was originally interpreted by the way and requires no intervention from Blatter or from on high).
5 - With all the above changes made then re-institute the golden goal. I bet you would see very few overtimes that outlast their welcome with you or any other spectator (or fan for that matter). And, on the rare occasions one arises it will be because of excellent defending and / or superb goalkeeping.
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it's a necessary evil, but I hate games being decided on PK's. That being said, Portugal had more than enough chances to advance.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
A game hopelessly hung up on its own petard. I actually enjoy high school soccer. Moeller has had an excellent coach... who provided me with two of my best 400 - 800 runners... and they played a very exciting brand of the game, but World Cup leaves me flat.
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did you watch the game yesterday? There was a lot of action/offense.
I too enjoy HS soccer better than professional soccer at times, because of the pathetic acting.
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buckeyeboy
Still fortitudinous
Me too. I like tibor's idea a few pages back that there should be two types of PK's. IMO it is so unlikely that a team will score a goal, even when they have the ball in the opposing team's box, that to give them what amounts to be a sure goal on a PK simply b/c a member of the team is fouled in the box seems like too harsh a penalty.
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What I don't understand is the aggressive hate for soccer. I don't like watching the NBA but whenever it comes on I don't cry about it like a baby.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
You talkin' to me? Sorry. I don't care for soccer. There's not enough scoring and the game often seems tedious with way too much time being killed. The fact that you have a ball and the only way you can move it is with the feet seems counterintuitive and detracts from what could otherwise be an exciting game.
Does that help?
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I was at a 4th of July party and one guy told me he was rooting for France over Portugal because he didn't want to see a Muslim country win.
:ohwell:
edit: even more hilarious, I found this here
"Portugal was profoundly Roman Catholic. According to common saying, "to be Portuguese is to be Catholic," and approximately 97 percent of the population considered itself Roman Catholic--the highest percentage in Western Europe. Only about one-third of the population attended mass and took the sacraments regularly, but nearly all Portuguese wished to be baptized and married in the church and to receive its last rites"
:ohwell:
edit: even more hilarious, I found this here
"Portugal was profoundly Roman Catholic. According to common saying, "to be Portuguese is to be Catholic," and approximately 97 percent of the population considered itself Roman Catholic--the highest percentage in Western Europe. Only about one-third of the population attended mass and took the sacraments regularly, but nearly all Portuguese wished to be baptized and married in the church and to receive its last rites"
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Not in the least. I don't care for NBA. I don't care for rugby. I don't care for cricket.cincibuck said:
I also don't go tell the fans of those things how stupid their sport is.
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I know you didn't come right out and say "soccer is stupid". You did, however, say this: "Has the paint dried yet?"
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I feel just the opposite. The caliber of passing in the World Cup is remarkable. There were some tremendous attacks by the Muslims from Portustan in the closing minutes of their game with France that were no less exciting because they did not net a goal.
As sandgk pointed out there have been some conservative strategies because of existing rules - but one can still appreciate good ball movement even if it is not always towards the goal. Not saying more aggressive attacks are not more exciting, but I would rather watch a three to zero OSU-Michigan game than a 90-87 Arena Football League match any time. Good defense is exciting if you have a feel for the game.
I do have one suggestion for deciding ties that would make things better. Keep playing 10 minute OT periods and in each period remove one player from each team. As the teams got smaller you would start seeing some scoring. Granted, it is a bastardization of the sport, but no worse than penalty kicks.
Not only that, but if you let the opposing coaches select the player to be removed from the other side by use of a rifle interest would skyrocket and you could still call it a shoot out.
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