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Who should be the Heisman winner?

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Who should win the Heisman this year?

  • Darren McFadden

    Votes: 29 27.1%

  • Colt Brennen

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Chase Daniel

    Votes: 11 10.3%

  • Pat White

    Votes: 4 3.7%

  • Dennis Dixon

    Votes: 14 13.1%

  • Tim Tebow

    Votes: 38 35.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 9 8.4%
  • Total voters
    107
  • Poll closed .
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Taosman;1011827; said:
Tebow is surrounded with talent second to none in college football.
Now, you take Percy Harvin out of that offense, Tebow starts looking pretty mediocre. The whole offense does. Tebow is not fast like McFadden.
Or elusive like Dixon. At the goal line he's a force like a big old fullback.
But, I maintain he's a product of a system. Just look at how well that system worked at Utah! It got that QB(*****), some Heisman talk..

Oregon does have some talent, but injuries really cost that team and Dixon was carrying the load at the end.
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That may be the dumbest post you've ever made...and that's saying quite a bit.
I strongly dislike Tim Tebow, and I sincerely hope he doesn't win the Heisman, but I'm pretty sure Troy Smith wasn't fast like McFadden, either. Tebow is a great football player, whatever measurables you want to try and trot out to talk him down. System QB is probably the worst description of him I've ever heard.
 
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Pheasant;1011852; said:
That may be the dumbest post you've ever made...and that's saying quite a bit.
I strongly dislike Tim Tebow, and I sincerely hope he doesn't win the Heisman, but I'm pretty sure Troy Smith wasn't fast like McFadden, either. Tebow is a great football player, whatever measurables you want to try and trot out to talk him down. System QB is probably the worst description of him I've ever heard.
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The dumbest post I've ever made?
Gee! Thanks! :tongue2:
So, your going to start this shit, again?
Or is it just your "style" to call people names who don't agree with your clever thinking?
 
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Tebow has less talent around him than Troy did. Tebow is as fast as troy, much stronger, and a more athlete at the college level.

But feel free to duck those obvious disparities and latch onto the personal stuff. :roll2:
 
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I beg to differ on Tebow having less talent around him than Troy.
Most of Tebow's receivers are back from the National Championship team.
I don't see any lack of talent other then at running back.
Big numbers don't necessarily mean your the most valuable player in college football.

And there is zero excuse for not being civil in this debate.
 
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Well, the Heisman doesn't go to the MVP of college football, it goes to the most outstanding player.

If it went to the MVP, it would go to Dixon. McFadden is awesome and trust me, him not getting a heisman won't hurt his draft prospect, he's a top 3 pick and probably number one. Tebow will get the heisman, if Dixon stays healthy he may have a run at it next year, but there will be a lot of schools hyping kids for it. Scouts don't see Dixon as an NFL quarterback, so he's going to be back for his senior year, Illinois will be hyping williams, USC will be pushing their running back and we'll be pushing Beanie.

For now though, I think it's Tebow and no one else is even a close second. He's an amazing kid, yeah, I'll admit I don't like the idea of him getting it his sophomore year because he could be the second player to get a heisman, but there's a lot of kids that will be trying for it next year.
 
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I think a lot of people here aren't saying Tebow deserves the heisman for the reason that they don't want to see another two time winner, people are making excuses because they don't want to take Archies place in history away. I don't want to see that either, but come on, lets face it, Tebow has set college football history, he's in a word, amazing. Whether you want to see it or not, he's doing shit on the field that most players and coaches never dreamed of. Sure, he has a lot of players around him, but, he's shown he can do it by himself or with his players. That's what makes the guy so special, I want DMC to get it, not because I think he's most deserving, but because I am looking at the group through my scarlet and gray colored glasses, but sitting back and thinking about it, I can't see a more deserving player.
 
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Taosman;1011876; said:
I beg to differ on Tebow having less talent around him than Troy.
Most of Tebow's receivers are back from the National Championship team.
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How many first round WRs does Tebow have? Troy may have had 3, with the way Robo was playing before his injury.

Even if Tebow's wideouts prove to be 1st rounders, the point is that Troy had an embarrassment of riches. Two veteran playmakers, a rising sophomore Robo, a surehanded Hartline, and a big mismatch in Hall. Ray Small was his 6th WR!

If you're going to complain about Tebow's talent, you best do the same about Troy's. That was a common observation from NFL scouts, that he will not have this much talent surrounding him at the next level.
I don't see any lack of talent other then at running back.
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Well that's a pretty large hole. Remember all those wonderful qb draws with Troy in 05, before Pittman emerged? Ugh.

Troy telegraphed his QB draws, and they were very rarely effective. He was a very good scrambler, but an average runner. Tebow is a dominant runner, even when everyone knows it's coming. He's a pretty solid scrambler as well.
 
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How does one quantify a "system QB" versus a running back or option/spread QB? Alex Smith was wonderful at Utah in Meyer's "system".
He got Heisman consideration.
That is the problem we see every year.
Some times the "system QB" can win. Andre Ware.
Most times people recognize that they are a product of a system.
 
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OCBucksFan;1011877; said:
if Dixon stays healthy he may have a run at it next year, but there will be a lot of schools hyping kids for it. Scouts don't see Dixon as an NFL quarterback, so he's going to be back for his senior year,
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Dixon is a Senior. On the bright side, he may have a baseball career.
 
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So what can't Tebow do, Taos... that makes him unworthy of the heisman and merely a system QB? He dominates as a runner, and is a pretty solid passer as well.

Apparently Meyer's system is such a fluke that he fooled the billion-dollar enterprise on draft day, who took his worthless system QB #1 overall. Just maybe, both of those QBs can play... and blue-chip recruit Leak never flourished in it.

If Booty (from the media darling SC squad) was the heisman frontrunner, and Tebow merely played RB and scored 25 tds, I doubt everyone would be looking for ways to discredit his dominance. Instead, he passes for more TDs than Leinart and runs for more than Dayne... so it must be a fluke :roll2:
 
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Taosman;1011921; said:
How does one quantify a "system QB" versus a running back or option/spread QB? Alex Smith was wonderful at Utah in Meyer's "system".
He got Heisman consideration.
That is the problem we see every year.
Some times the "system QB" can win. Andre Ware.
Most times people recognize that they are a product of a system.
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He got Heisman consideration? WTF?? USC produced back to back winners. Was that the "system" too? And did Alex Smith have 29 and 22 TDs? No, he did not. So why is Alex a factor in Tim's situation? I mean, who the hell are the "systemless" teams, so that I can identify them?.....

I mean, besides Notre Dame...
 
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