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Where does the team go from here?

1926Buckeyes;1264859; said:
People seem to forget that Woody lost or tied key games in 69, 70, 73, 74, and 75 in which if he just wins one game he wins the NC. 69 was probably one of the worst losses in program history as that was probably the best team in Woody's tenure.

He also was in jeporardy of losing his job before the super sophs came to Columbus.

Woody was a great coach, but certainly had his faults as a coach. Tressel is the same way. He has his faults, but just like at YSU, I think TRessel will leave the program with a winning record in NC games,a couple Heisman winners, and in great shape for the next coach.

+1

I absolutely agree with that statement. I've read several biographies on Woody Hayes and he had this same problem, but still turned out as a coach that a lot of OSU fans really respected for his efforts.

Jim Tressel will be the same way. He'll be the "Woody Hayes" of their generation. I believe that Jim Tressel will actually shatter Woody Hayes' winning percentage when all is said and done, but I don't know about winning as much national titles as he did. The competition nowadays is much more fierce than in the past though.
 
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scarletngray;1261179; said:
But, regardless, doesn't Tress have the best winning pct. of any coach in Ohio State history? :osu:

Carroll Widdoes (.889) was 16-2 over 1944-45.

JT has the highest percentage among anyone that coached at tOSU for 3 or more years.
 
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BB73;1265115; said:
Carroll Widdoes (.889) was 16-2 over 1944-45.

JT has the highest percentage among anyone that coached at tOSU for 3 or more years.

I mean for like if Jim Tressel will stay for around 15-20 years, his record might be significantly better than Woody Hayes. It's more accurate to measure a coach's success when they stay with the same team for like at least 10 years.
 
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BUCKYLE;1260536; said:
BUCKEYE FOOTBALL IS BEATING MICHIGAN AND WINNING THE BIG TEN CHAMPIONSHIP.

FIFY :biggrin:

Those are the things we can control, and they have always been the measuring stick for Ohio State football.

Things like "NC games" depend on voters, etc., that are beyond our control yet it seems more and more fans have gotten totally obsessed with it, and only it. Too bad for them because those bids won't happen most years, but scUM and the Big Ten are ALWAYS possible EVERY season.

Beat Troy! :oh:
 
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Jake;1265644; said:
FIFY :biggrin:

Those are the things we can control, and they have always been the measuring stick for Ohio State football.

Things like "NC games" depend on voters, etc., that are beyond our control yet it seems more and more fans have gotten totally obsessed with it, and only it. Too bad for them because those bids won't happen most years, but scUM and the Big Ten are ALWAYS possible EVERY season.

Beat Troy! :oh:
:io:

How about, "To me, BUCKEYE FOOTBALL IS BEATING TSUN"?
 
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BUCKYLE;1265649; said:
:io:

How about, "To me, BUCKEYE FOOTBALL IS BEATING TSUN"?

I saw us roll scUM in 2004 then watched their fans walk around C-bus with roses in their mouths because they won the BT, anyway. They weren't nearly as crushed as I had hoped.

Fuck that, I want the Big Ten AND I want to scrape scUM off my shoes on our way to the Rose/BCS. Make 'em cry, dammit. :p
 
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Well, it's been a week. And we found some answers to the question, "Where does the team go from here"

scarletngray;1260327; said:
So, where does the team go from here?

1) First it has to recover from last nights devasting loss. More easily said than done. But somehow, the coaches and players are going to have to regroup and re-focus. If not, it could turn out to be a very dismal year.

The players and coaches did re-group and re-focus. Part of that regrouping involved changes in personel and philosophy. Good for Tress and the team to respond in a positive way. The team could have perhaps played with more passion, but they did play with more confidence and chemistry than the prior three weeks.

2) What's up with Beanie? Though much talk has centered around Beanie's
injury, if it continues to linger, Beanie, and the coaches are going to have to make a decision as to if they are going to use him and risk further injury, or redshirting him for the year. Beanies health and future must take precedence in this decision, no matter how bad all of us want to see him play.

We still do not know what's up with Beanie. However, BOOM Herron has proved to be a solid replacement nearly rushing for 100 yds today. He showed patience, vision and toughness, which is going to be needed starting next week and Big Ten play.

3) Quarterback. There are suggestions that we bench TB and start TP. That is certainly an option but I think we must remember that there is still a conference to win and hopefully a BCS bowl to play in. I like last nights strategy and personally think we should continue with it throughout the next five games. If TP excels in the passing game over that duration, then start him in the meat of the Big Ten schedule. But not before.

The QB question has been answered once and for all. The Todd Boeckman era is over and a NEW ERA has begun. Forget my nonsense about sharing time over the next five games. TP is the man. 4 TD passes - NUFF SAID!! Plus his only INT came as a result of a hail mary pass at the end of the first half. TP played with poise and confidence, showing great playmaking ability.

4) Offensive and Defensive Line problems - It is apparent that something is very wrong along both side of the trenches. I'm not sure what needs to be done, but it is a glaring weakness. Whether it's change in coaching philosophy, blocking schemes, new personel, or a combination of things, these two areas needs much attention.

Starting Brewster at Center was a great move. He played very solid today and the OL overall played very very well, opening holes for the RB and giving TP time to throw the ball.

On Defense, we saw two true freshman play in the game. Kieth Wells and Nathan Williams. The dink and dunk game made it hard for the DL to get pressure, but overall, the DL was much improved and did get greater push today. The jury is still out though on the DL.

5) Playmakers - Perhaps it's time we start using guys like Flash and Posey on Offense to include a couple difference makers when we have the ball. Granted, if we cannot get the ball to them because our OL is collasping, it's a mute point. But we really need a spark on Offense.

On Offense TP and B. Hartline proved to be playmakers today. BOOM did a fine job at RB, helping move the chains. Add with a healthy Beanie, along with TP, our Offense can become very good.

On Defense, Kurt Coleman came up with two INT's and J. Hines is a star in the making. We've needed some guys to step up on D and though we gave up too many yards, it was encouraging seeing a couple guys being difference makers. Credit the D for completely shutting down Troy's Offense in the 4th Quarter.

6) Fanbase - As fans we are very fortunate to root for a team like Ohio State (800 victories). However, with some of the best fans on the planet, we also have some of the worse fans on the planet. We must remember that we are all Buckeyes and that even though we may have our differing opinions, the team needs our support. Let's rally around the team and root them on to another Big Ten conference title and victory in a BCS bowl game.

Disappointed that the stadium was not completely full. Shows that this team, like all teams, has it's bandwagon, cry babies. I'm glad that they did not have the opportunity to see a future Heisman trophy winner start his first game and throw 4 TD's. But like all bandwagoners, they will be back next week with their #2 jersey's on.

:osu:GO BUCKS!!

:oh:
 
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scarletngray;1266541; said:
Well, it's been a week. And we found some answers to the question, "Where does the team go from here"

On the fans, it is not shocking that the stadium was not full. It was v Troy AND the bewilderment factor must be accepted. I, too, feel lost at times when i think about tOSU football team.

I was, however, very disappointed in the boos for TB. He has done nothing but do everything he could for this team for 5+ years and does not deserve THAT.

Onto the defense, I was still disappointed in the DL. The two playmakers you pointed out truly made plays today, but MF didn't play his best imo. Jenkins had an outstanding game as well.

I am encouraged by the Offense in general but still slightly down on the play calling, tho the new looks with TP are also "encouraging". The OLine's new look was an upgrade BUT is still not up to par imo.

I give most of the "disappointments" a pass tho as deflated as I feel, some of the players *may* feel the same v Troy.:oh:
 
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I liked most of the changes we saw yesterday and I'm excited about Terrelle Pryor at QB. Looking forward to kicking some Big Ten ass, earning a BCS bid to Pasadena, and gaining a measure of redemption once we get there.

:gobucks3::gobucks4:
 
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Where does the team go from here? As with any question about the future, there is only one method for answering it that has provided any real guidance in my experience. First, you look for a similar situation in the past and see how it played out. Then you look for differences to see if the situation you're in might end up the same way.

Past Buckeye teams in similar situations: 1985 & 1987, for very different reasons.

1985 was similar in that a foot injury for our "lighthouse" tailback conspired with other circumstances to turn a promising season into a disappointment. This season is vastly different in so many respects that the similarity ends there in my opinion.

1987 is a different matter. In both 1987 and 2008, Ohio State started the season highly ranked. The Sporting News had the Bucks at #2 to start '87. In both years, the Buckeyes returned a ton of talent; or so we thought. In both years, I personally had huge expectations because of the experience of the returning starters (in '87, the defensive backfield was set to start with four 4-year-starters). And in both years, the offensive line was among the most disappointing features of a disappointing team.

First off, let me promise that I will never be led down the primrose path by "experience" again. Experience does not turn someone into something they're not. USC's superior athletes on the OL outperformed Ohio State's vastly more experienced offensive line. And the Trojans were going against a more experienced but less talented defensive line. Talent trumps experience.

But this illustrates the difference between 1987 and 2008. To give it a name, that difference is The Brew Crew. This year, Tressel has options. By 1987, Earle had let recruiting slip to a point that when the team underperformed, there was nowhere to go. That is a big reason why 1987 got Earle fired. There were simply no answers.

This year, some experienced players are going to be replaced by more talented freshmen... in several positions. It might be a painful year in some ways, but at least they will be growing pains. In 1987, it was the agony of the death thoes of a coaching regime.

There are some here who seem to be mistaking one kind of pain (growing) for the other (regime change). 1987 would like to have a word with you. Not because of the similarities with this year, but because of the differences.

We're disappointed sure: But only because we put too much stock in experience... again.

But this time the answer to the problem is already in the pipeline: 2-years-worth of an answer to the problem is in the pipeline.

Before the season I opined with much bluster that these were the greatest days to be a Buckeye. OK, I was wrong.

Now we're asking, "So where does the team go from here?"

If we look at why I was wrong, and what it take to make it right; the answer to the question is "UP".

The real question is, "will you be able to tell your grandchildren that you never left the bandwagon?"
 
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DaddyBigBucks;1267870; said:
Where does the team go from here? As with any question about the future, there is only one method for answering it that has provided any real guidance in my experience. First, you look for a similar situation in the past and see how it played out. Then you look for differences to see if the situation you're in might end up the same way.

Past Buckeye teams in similar situations: 1985 & 1987, for very different reasons.

1985 was similar in that a foot injury for our "lighthouse" tailback conspired with other circumstances to turn a promising season into a disappointment. This season is vastly different in so many respects that the similarity ends there in my opinion.

1987 is a different matter. In both 1987 and 2008, Ohio State started the season highly ranked. The Sporting News had the Bucks at #2 to start '87. In both years, the Buckeyes returned a ton of talent; or so we thought. In both years, I personally had huge expectations because of the experience of the returning starters (in '87, the defensive backfield was set to start with four 4-year-starters). And in both years, the offensive line was among the most disappointing features of a disappointing team.

First off, let me promise that I will never be led down the primrose path by "experience" again. Experience does not turn someone into something they're not. USC's superior athletes on the OL outperformed Ohio State's vastly more experienced offensive line. And the Trojans were going against a more experienced but less talented defensive line. Talent trumps experience.

But this illustrates the difference between 1987 and 2008. To give it a name, that difference is The Brew Crew. This year, Tressel has options. By 1987, Earle had let recruiting slip to a point that when the team underperformed, there was nowhere to go. That is a big reason why 1987 got Earle fired. There were simply no answers.

This year, some experienced players are going to be replaced by more talented freshmen... in several positions. It might be a painful year in some ways, but at least they will be growing pains. In 1987, it was the agony of the death thoes of a coaching regime.

There are some here who seem to be mistaking one kind of pain (growing) for the other (regime change). 1987 would like to have a word with you. Not because of the similarities with this year, but because of the differences.

We're disappointed sure: But only because we put too much stock in experience... again.

But this time the answer to the problem is already in the pipeline: 2-years-worth of an answer to the problem is in the pipeline.

Before the season I opined with much bluster that these were the greatest days to be a Buckeye. OK, I was wrong.

Now we're asking, "So where does the team go from here?"

If we look at why I was wrong, and what it take to make it right; the answer to the question is "UP".

The real question is, "will you be able to tell your grandchildren that you never left the bandwagon?"

Great post DBB.

If I didn't hop off the bandwagon at the junction of 2-10-1 and MSU '98, I sure as hell ain't givin' up my seat now.

GO BUCKS!
 
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Jump off the bandwagon? What is this? To me, Ohio State football isn't a bandwagon. To me, Ohio State football is a part of my life, not a hobby. It's the same way I feel about the Steelers, the Penguins, and even the Pirates (I've been a Pirates fan since my first game, and they have never had a winning season whilst I've been a fan. I'm wearing a Pirates shirt right now).

I became a big Buckeye fan, and a fan of football in general, during the '99 season. I saw Brett Favre piece together a winning drive against Minnesota during the 4th quarter, and I was instantly hooked. I couldn't get enough of the stuff. I started watching games with my parents, Ohio State games in particular. I would watch Steelers games on Sunday with my buddy from two blocks over.

Ohio State was 6-6 that year, and they lost the game. The Steelers were 6-10 that year. To me, the bandwagon is just a figure of speech to describe people who boo players like Todd Boeckman.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;1267870; said:
The real question is, "will you be able to tell your grandchildren that you never left the bandwagon?"

Hop off the bandwagon? NEVER!!! I have never considered the Buckeyes to be a bandwagon team. I know some do, but maybe this is the time we weed out some of the fans that only root for the Buckeyes when they are winning and boo them when they hit a speed bump. I was kind of embarrassed when I heard the fans at the game booing TB on his second play on Saturday. He doesn't deserve that.

I am really excited about the potential this team has and we will see how they pull it together now that the Big 10 season is kicking off. I still believe that they will bring home the fifth straight win over scUM and fourth straight Big 10 championship.

GO BUCKS!!!
:osu:
 
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