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What's Wrong With the 2013 Defense?

What's Wrong With the 2013 Defense?

  • Talent / Players

    Votes: 29 11.8%
  • Scheme / Coaching

    Votes: 127 51.8%
  • Both are substandard

    Votes: 71 29.0%
  • Neither - B1G offenses are unstoppable

    Votes: 10 4.1%
  • I don't care - just fire Fickell!

    Votes: 8 3.3%

  • Total voters
    245
I don't know enough about coaching to make a fair comment, but when I watch a 285 pound tight end complete an 80+ yd pass play by running away from a corner and a safety I have to wonder how much real speed we have. It suggests to me that perhaps we don't have as much in the backfield as we think we have and that may also explain the soft coverage packages we're seeing.

We-BP- knew collectively that this defense was VERY green. I think we-BP- expected this defense to be playing lights out by the 8th week. In all fairness, they've buckled up when they absolutely needed to. Losing a top safety and captain hurt. Having the other senior running wild, trying for the big play and putting himself out of position isn't helping.

I might add that we caught Wiscy after they had a bye, same with NW and the same will be true this week with PSU. The Big Ten needs to begin to look at scheduling.
 
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... when I watch a 285 pound tight end complete an 80+ yd pass play by running away from a corner and a safety I have to wonder how much real speed we have.
I believe the tight end kept pace against Armani Reeves and a defensive end (Noah Spence), rather than a safety, after getting behind them in broken coverage. Reeves got his legs tangled up and had to get up to speed essentially from a standstill trying to chase the TE down. This play wasn't a failure of speed but rather one of discipline by the defenders.

There's no question how much speed the Buckeyes have, but it's not necessarily on the field at all times. I'd bet Roby beats Reeves ten times out of ten in a foot race.
 
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I might add that we caught Wiscy after they had a bye, same with NW and the same will be true this week with PSU. The Big Ten needs to begin to look at scheduling.

We actually didn't catch Wisconsin after a bye--they played Purdue the week before they came to Columbus. However, OSU does play each of the following teams after those teams are coming off a bye this year:

- NW
- Iowa
- Penn St.
- Purdue
 
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This is basically what I am trying to say. I think there is a lack of talent in the secondary compared with past teams. I think it is made worse by poor position coaching - whether it is Withers or Combs, I really don't care, but there is no development going on there. No scheme is going to work to defend the pass that lives up to the Ohio State standard, until the people who are responsible for the secondary, the coaches and players included, get with the program, or are replaced.

Withers is supposed to be assistant head coach.

The secondary isn't responsible for every reception. The last 2 games we have been lit up by TEs and FBs. Even against Wisconsin, their TE and FB caught 7 passes including a TD. We gave up 3 passes to WRs not named Abbrederis. The LBs are most certainly a major part of this problem.
Iowa turned their entire gameplan on its head specifically to attack our LBs, and succeeded for most of the game. The cat is out of the bag, it's not just the secondary.
I expect to see a similar gameplan from Penn State coming off their bye week now.
 
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I'm not terribly worried about PSU offensively - they will likely be unable to do much on the ground and putting Hackenberg in hero mode on the road in a night game, I don't see it working out the greatest. The Iowa game scared me more as Weisman is very underrated and can get his even against a strong DL.

The only concern I have is how we match up with PSU's TE's, they haven't been utilitzed much but given the off chance they are schemed correctly could create issues.
 
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I voted for scheme/coaching, but it's probably both. The staff is clearly afraid of giving up the big play and feel the need to protect the secondary by playing soft coverage. Compounding that, the LB have been pretty terrible at locating tight ends and backs and covering them. All this means that when rushing 4, someone is open. A year and a half later, tackling still seems to be an issue.

Most of that points to coaching and the inability to cover up the defenses weak spots, but it could be a lack of talent as well. Not individually, but as a whole...no one challenging for starting spots and pushing the starters to be better. Watching Duzey run away from Reeves was not inspiring either so perhaps some of the athletic talent has not grown as expected.
 
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The only concern I have is how we match up with PSU's TE's, they haven't been utilitzed much but given the off chance they are schemed correctly could create issues.
I'm not sure what I expect from this game. I have visions of PSU TE's and Allen Robinson running wide open down the field, but then remind myself this team only scored 24 points on Indiana and couldn't buy a first down in 4 OTs against Michigan.
 
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The least of anyone's worries at this point should be RBs... talent and personnel doesn't seem to matter if teams want to throw on us. Anyone can do it.
We gave up 6 receptions for 138yds and a TD to a Sophomore Tight End that previously had a career total 7 receptions for 47yds.
In total we gave up 12 receptions for 203yds and 2 TDs to 3 Tight Ends and a Fullback. On the other hand, their 4 WRs caught 7 passes for 42yds and a TD.
Cal threw on us to 11 different receivers for 371yds and 3 TDs.
Until somebody can figure something out, I'm at least mildly worried about every game that includes any half-competent QB.
 
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Let us just say that whatever scenario it takes for the Buckeyes to be in the NC game happens. That game is like 12 weeks away right? So let me ask you these three questions.

1. How big will those extra practices we missed last year be?

2. What are the chances we have a new DC, or maybe just one less?

3. Is there someone out there that could come in and set things right with the Silver Bullets?

While I don't like our scheme, not that what I think matters, it can be changed or adjusted. If there is a coaching problem however Urban doesn't seem like the kind of guy that won't pull the trigger on a change.
 
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The secondary isn't responsible for every reception. The last 2 games we have been lit up by TEs and FBs. Even against Wisconsin, their TE and FB caught 7 passes including a TD. We gave up 3 passes to WRs not named Abbrederis. The LBs are most certainly a major part of this problem.
Iowa turned their entire gameplan on its head specifically to attack our LBs, and succeeded for most of the game. The cat is out of the bag, it's not just the secondary.
I expect to see a similar gameplan from Penn State coming off their bye week now.

The linebackers we have are primarily run stoppers. They were not recruited for their pass defense. Some weakness in that area is to be expected.
 
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5th year Senior leaders on defense from Ohio State's #1 ranked recruiting class in 2009: Jonathan Newsome, Dominic Clarke, Melvin Fellows, Dorian Bell, Jamie Wood, Jordan Whiting.
Good point. You can also add LB Scott McVey and DE Jamel Turner from the 2010 class, both of whom were very highly ranked recruits.

Communication. Starts and ends with communication. I was blown away by Alabama's pre snap communication. Not just between the front 4 or back 7, but also between units. Hand signals, yelling, pointing, etc. It starts with Kirby Smart. He's on the field basically helping make pre snap adjustments. The offense doesn't know what defense they are in or where the blitz is coming from because it's not predetermined.

OSU doesn't communicate well. They don't have the tools to do so. OSU is terrible at switching responsibilities in zone coverage. Their spacing isn't right, some of the time because they were faking a press or a blitz, or because they didn't adjust to the formation.

It falls on Fickell. But I vote both because you can't blame coaches for poor tackling or getting run past by a TE.
An interesting point about the communication, or lack thereof. I wonder what the coaching staff would say about this (in a private moment, of course).

The coordinators are afraid of giving up a big play, it's obvious.
And yet the defense has already (through seven games) given up 8 plays of 30+ yards (all passes), including 4 plays of 60+ yards, with a long of 85 yards.

By comparison, the 2010 defense (in thirteen games) gave up only 9 plays of 30+ yards, with a long of 42 yards.

In the poll, I added option number four (B1G offenses are unstoppable) sort of as a joke, but college football has definitely changed in the past few years. In 133 games from 2005 to 2010, the Buckeyes defense gave up an average of 13.6 points per game; gave up 30+ points only 6 times (7.8%); and held their opponent to less than 10 points 31 times (40.3%).

But since 2010, many college football teams are following the Oregon model and employing an uptempo offense - this means more plays, which usually means more points for both teams. In addition, teams are passing more - this means more clock stoppages with incompletions, sideline completions, and more frequent first downs. Finally changes in rules (and rule interpretations) have helped offenses and hindered defenses - fewer holding calls, more pass interference calls, the targeting rule.

One more thing to consider: A team like Indiana is never going to be able to field a championship-level 85-man roster. But even the Hoosiers can sign enough talent to have one solid unit, and if you're going to overload one side of the ball, it might as well be the offense because (a) you will keep your fans interested, (b) you will get more media attention, (c) you will be able to sell your program to recruits who want to put up big numbers, and most importantly (d) you might actually be able to record a major upset by outscoring your opponent in a shoot out (witness Indiana's near miss against Ohio State last season and against Michigan this season).

So while there may not be any truly high-powered offenses in the B1G outside of Ohio State, it is definitely more difficult to shut down even an average offense due to changes in offensive philosophies, combined with rule changes that favor the offense. Take out the Florida A+M rout, and Ohio State is still giving up only 23.2 points per game against FBS competition, which may not be all that bad under the current circumstances.
 
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